haha, extra 0 added, amended so as not to look quite so dumb!

Maybe he wouldn't walk into the Wigan side, but he'd certainly be there or thereabouts. As for Wire and Leeds I honestly think he'd walk into both of them he's a miles better all round player than Myler for instance and much more creative than either Burrow or McGuire.

Yes hes only playing for Salford, but if he was that good last season in a team of no hopers then this year he really could shine. If he was playing for any of the big 4 you'd never hear the last of him. Definitely the most classy overseas signing I've seen at Salford for many a year.

has he learnt to catch a ball yet?

hopefully he gets his confidnece back with you for the next two seasons before finishing his career back homewith his citites new club the WA Reds in 2013

You use a player that has had numerous chances at Rovers and was also released from the Rhinos because of knee injuries. His potential was of a lower grade than what Rovers aspire to, he would have never played one game in the NRL let alone 40 by the time he was 24.

I honestly do not see why Rugby League clubs should worry about the international game when no other sports do. As I said earlier I want to go watch my team on a weekend and see them perform brilliantly. I have spent enough of my weekends watching local lads in the lower leagues getting their backsides given to them. If I want to watch home grown players I can go watch the amateur scene. When I spend hundreds on a season pass I want to watch quality players playing well.

Maybe, Maybe not. but for you to argue that you need to bring in an NRL reject with only a similar level of experience as the young british player you had on the basis of experience and quality is plainly nonsense.

You seem to be pretending that the imports are all quality players, they arent some wouldnt get a game at another SL club.

You arent watching quality, you are watching a fairly mediocre side, filled with overseas players.

If our only aim is to watch quality and to hell with everything else, lets get rid of the Salary Cap too. Why should Leeds care that there 16k crowds, £12m turnover and Paul Caddicks hundreds of millions mean they can afford much better overseas players than a small club like Hull KR? who cares if it means we put 50 on you every week. I get to watch quality players.

Either we accept limitations for the good of the sport, or we dont.

"but for you to argue that you need to bring in an NRL reject"

Surely by the very nature of what you are saying every player from the NRL can be classed as a "reject"? If not they would still be in the worlds toughest most skillful RL comp.

"You arent watching quality, you are watching a fairly mediocre side"

Matter of opinion, I'd suggest any team that makes the finals is more than mediocre or are you of the "if you don't win the comp it is pointless you playing all season" brigade?

"Either we accept limitations for the good of the sport, or we dont"
which HKR are doing, they are not breaking any rules and operating within the framework decided by the RFL.

not at all. Some players when they come over are more than capable of getting an NRL contract, they choose not to for many reasons, personal issues like Ali Lauitiiti (who was the reigning Dally M 2nd rower of the year and tearing the NRL up when he left) Some because they will get more money like Danny Buderus, and some because they wouldnt get a contract, like Blake Green, Rhys Lovegrove, and Weller Hauraki.

i wouldnt suggest that the anything outside the top 5 of a 14 league team couldnt be argued to be better than mediocre. Certainly not 7th in a 14 team league.

They may be operating by the letter of the regulations, which are of course affected by outside influences. But certainly not by the spirit, and not by the spirit in which they were agreed.

You may wish to justify it on the basis that the RFL cannot put in place the rules as strong as their like. But there is no avoiding the fact that you are attempting to circumvent the rules and the reason they were put in place. Which was for the good of the game.

Regardless, that wasnt Nick HKR's argument, which was why should we care that there are such a huge amount of overseas players at Hull KR and that the main issue was the quality of the matches he was watching above all over concerns.

I do not consider I'Anson's time at Rovers anywhere near the same as Green's time in the NRL. For one Green still had a year left to run on his contract, he had options in the NRL yet still chose to come to the UK. I do not call that a reject I call that a career move that a 24yr old feels is his best option.

I do not think I am watching mediocre rugby, I think I am watching a very good quality standard most weeks and to see Ben Galea and Clint Newton at their best (SL Dream Team 2009) along with Dobson (Albert Goldthorpe 2009 and Dream Team scrum half 2009 & 2010). When Webster is fully fit you see the quality ouzes out of him like his ability to leave Senior standing when he sent Fox in for a try at Headingley.

Then you have Vella who has been outstanding since his arrival, Clinton who had a very good year once he arrived last year. Fisher came up with Rovers and although not brilliant he still got the "hit man" award in 2007 and has been a mainstay in the team since I think 2005. With Lovegrove you have a player who has come in as a centre/second row and has since been moulded into a prop forward. While his defence is a worry at his young age he is nowhere near the finished article and his other stats would be the envy of many other forwards in the game.

Who wouldn't get a shot at another SL club? Most would get a game at the top 5 clubs while the others would shine at the bottom 5 clubs.

Hull KR by the way have numerous multi-millionaires on the board and although maybe not in Caddicks 'Forbes' league we would still be competative if the salary cap were to be defunct. HKR have done nothing wrong, we have signed overseas stars that will improve the competition without breaking any of the laws of the game.

Maybe it is time Leeds dropped into the lower leagues for 10yrs then see how they fair up?!

Of course you do. Because it suits. Blake Green hasnt had a regular gig in the NRL. He couldnt get one.
. You are a mid-table side. You are a mid table side because the teams who have put the time and effort, and introduced their youngsters have produced better players than the ones you have brought over from Australia. Now if we could get other teams to do the same, then we would have a better quality league, and as a by product, a better international team.
Webster is a very average centre, he is strong and fast but has the agility of house and the turning circle of an oil tanker.

Well you are much easier to please than I am. I would expect better for a 'outstanding' and 'very good' players who ease quality than 0 Finals and mid-table finishes.

Bollocks, If they were that good, they would have acheived something whilst they were here other than mid-table mediocrity

no they wont. What would improve the competition is for Hull KR to bring through the players Leeds, Saints, Wigan, Warrington, Castleford are, for them to be spending their numerous multi-millionaires money on young British players like Huddersfield have done. They arent they are papering over the cracks. Ben Fisher adds nothing to the league, Rhys Lovegroves are ten a penny, its a short term cover for a club which has and still is neglecting their responsibilities to the game as a whole.

we dont have to, we didnt f'ck it up and drop through the leagues, and go through a CVA. Hull KR arent unfortunate that their history has left them struggling, they are struggling because they were pants, they have no-one else to blame but themselves and shouldnt expect sympathy and dispensation to gain advantage on clubs who are putting the health of the game ahead of their selfish short-term interests.

The health of the game? Since when has that been any clubs responsibility? The game is just as healthy with these players playing here. I do not know one youngster that would choose not to play the sport because there are too many Aussies playing over here.

Yes we are a mid-table side, that is pretty good after only a few seasons back in the top flight. How long did it take Leeds to win something during the SL era? At least we are trying to be competative rather than be happy to just be in the league like Wakefield, Salford...etc

Sure it was Rovers fault for their downfall, that doesnt take anything away from what they have done since their revival. You can say we are not doing the game any good with having this many foreigners in the side but is it really doing the game any harm? If a player is any good they will keep the Aussie/Kiwi out the side. Liam Watts, Kris Welham and Scott Murrell have all kept away Aussies. Wigan have Josh Charnley so why not cry that they haven't released Pat Richards?

Leeds, Wigan, Saints...etc have all had the time and money to bring through their youngsters yet you expect Rovers to do it since 2007? What makes you think it is so easy to do? We have Scott Taylor coming through among other players who have a pretty high pedegree. Our juniors are competing against some well established academies in such a short space of time so I do not see that we are doing the game any harm at all.

it has always been their responsibility, as part of the RL familyno it isnt, to rely on overseas players has become to the detriment to young british players and as such is damaging the life blood of the game. It is building a house not only on sand, but sand someone else, who has no vested interest continually needs to supply. of course they dont, its simply that many dont get the chance to fulfil their potential.

as Crusaders proved last year, it isnt that difficult to put together a team of overseas players which can reach mid table. Christ they did it in a matter of days. 3 years. oh well, as long as you are better than Wakefield.

yes it is, it blocks the way for young british players, it stops them reaching their potential, it harms the structure of the game, it harms the international side, and it has the added disadvantage of incentivising other clubs to do the same.
so you think other clubs doing the same thing to a much lesser degree mitigates Hull KR massively going against the spirit of the rules. Wigan have fewer overseas players than last season, Hull KR have more. One club is going in the right direction.

no, i dont expect you to have academies of the same level as Leeds, Wigan, Saints etc. but i expect you to be contributing. I expect that if your club has chosen for so long to neglect youth development and scouting it doesnt having the playing strength to compete at the top, then it doesnt. It doesnt get to try to take a short-cut to the detriment of the game and the league. You need to find players from elsewhere like Huddersfield have done. Not simply rely on cast offs from the NRL. Crusaders last season simply highlighted what a poor 'achievement' it is to qualify for the play offs with a team filled with overseas players. It doesnt justify anything expect to the short-sighted, one club fans.

We do contribute and will be contributing more over the coming years. We did not choose to not contribute we just could not afford to due to the neglect of lower league clubs by the RFL. Although improving it still happens now yet SL club supporters fail to see life out side of the top flight.

Leeds still took until 2004 to win the SL title, this is 8 years after its inception. Back then you had 5 over seas players in the squad, why has this not reduced to 1 over 6 years??? Surely in that time the mighty Leeds Rhinos should have produced a wealth of English talent to replace these Australians and Kiwi's??? Rovers have broken no rules but you see that we are doing something detremental to the sport so why are Leeds not doing more???

what do you contribute? another game? You may argue you have decent home attendances, but other clubs earn nothing from your home attendances? what do you contribute apart from another game. What does any club contriibute apart from another game if they arent bringing players through.

Bollocks, it didnt stop you paying people like Mike Smith when you were in the 2nd tier. You could have put 5 players through scholarship/academy with his wages. You chose not to. Dont blame the RFL for the choices Hull KR made.

Do you know why? because in 2001/2002/2003 we didnt employ stack loads of overseas players. We gave game time to Danny Mcguire, Rob Burrow, Ryan Bailey, JJB, Matt Diskin, Danny Ward, Chev Walker, Mark Calderward who all became internationals, not to mention Richie Mathers, Gareth Carvell and Ewan Dowes. We didnt stop them getting experience because of overseas players, thats why we went on to win the league in 2004, and reach the cc final in 2005 and the gf in 2005 and win the comp in 2007/2008/2009. Because we built towards it. Because we sacrificed short term success for long term success and long term and as a by product contributed a huge amount of players to other clubs, (including scott murrell, Jamie I'anson, Tommy Gallagher, Gareth Morton, and Peter Fox to you) and the international side.they have broken the rules, they rules as they were no longer work. We now have more overseas players than the RFL wanted and the rules were put in place to secure. Because Hull KR took a short-termist, myopic and selfish stance in their desperation to bring in a spent 30 year old, messed up a crocked 32 year olds passport application, and couldnt lose any of their 10 overseas players from their mid-table squad.

regardless, Leeds are doing more, they have a massively better youth system, more youth products in the team, more youth products throughout the league, and fewer overseas players, but it is still not their job to 'do more' so that Hull KR can try and sneak an advantage over those who are 'doing more' by 'doing less'