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Quote: SmokeyTA "so which of those players you listed, bar Ratu, Hodgson and Watts, were unproven

Tom Bush has played a handful of games for leeds this year, if he makes a career in SL I will not only eat my hat, but every hat in Yorkshire. See Ben Kaye, Dwayne Barker,

Mike Coady has played for Leeds this year, is he close to being Leeds established centre? no at the moment he is probably 5 choice behind Watkins, Smith, Delany, Ablett, Senior

exactly, same age, same experience, if in doubt go for the Aussie, its the Hull Kingston Australia (trademark gutterfax) way'"


All seasoned pros when we signed them werent they? Ratu, Watts & Hodgson. A wealth of SL experience. Oh wait they had a handful of SL appearances between them, of course theyre unproven! How could you think anything different?

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Quote: SmokeyTA "they do, at the times the rules were changed (when hull kr kicked up a stink) Hull KR had a dispensation, this still benefits them now.

At the time the players needed to be signed to be exempt from the quota, Hull KR had an overseas dispensation, because of this they have more players who qualified for the exemption than other teams,'"


fair enough. Link? If I'm going to argue I'd like to be fully informed. icon_smile.gif

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Quote: Mild Rover "It seems to be the SL way, given that I'anson has dropped down to the Championship.'"


not really, Leeds, Saints, Warrington, Wigan, Salford, Hull, Huddersfield, all have better English stand offs,

and Bradford, castleford, and Quins all have far fewer overseas players, and far more academy products in their sides,

it seems to be just a Hull KR and Wakefield thing

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Quote: SCF "All seasoned pros when we signed them werent they? Ratu, Watts & Hodgson. A wealth of SL experience. Oh wait they had a handful of SL appearances between them, of course theyre unproven! How could you think anything different?'"

do you understand what bar Ratu, Watts and Hodgson means?

it means apart from.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "do you understand what bar Ratu, Watts and Hodgson means?

it means apart from.'"


icon_surprised.gifops: i now look as stupid as you....

But still you said we havent taken a chance on any English talent and i named 3 players there straight away.

Peter Fox was unproven before he joined us too.

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yeh I'anson has so much potential that he was snapped up by one of those gfairy god mother SL clubs who only invest in British youth and wouldn't dream of signing a 30 year old Aussie. Oh hang on a minute no he wasn't. Geez I wonder what that means?

If HKR had no interest in developing their own, players like I'anson wouldn't have ever got a sniff of first grade. he was given a chance and simply proven to be good enough to get us to the position the club wants to be. I hope he goes well at his new club and gets another shot in the future. Me, I'll trust our coaches judgement.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "not really, Leeds, Saints, Warrington, Wigan, Salford, Hull, Huddersfield, all have better English stand offs,'"



Yes, but we don't. And I don't think any of the stand-offs you're referring to were available this year.

Quote: SmokeyTA "and Bradford, castleford, and Quins all have far fewer overseas players, and far more academy products in their sides,'"


their youth systems are longer established. And the best finish they've had between them in the last 2 years is 8th, so you're really not selling this.

Shall we just skip to the end, where I submit that Hull KR have behaved in an entirely rational way given the incentives with which they were presented and you agree and turn your fire on the RFL. icon_wink.gif

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Quote: SCF "
i said bar those three, who arent yet established with you, Ratu has played more games for Leeds than you for instance.

and Fox had played 24 of 27 games for wakefield the year before he joined hull kr

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Quote: Mild Rover "Yes, but we don't. And I don't think any of the stand-offs you're referring to were available this year.

their youth systems are longer established. And the best finish they've had between them in the last 2 years is 8th, so you're really not selling this.

Shall we just skip to the end, where I submit that Hull KR have behaved in an entirely rational way given the incentives with which they were presented and you agree and turn your fire on the RFL. no, i dont think they are blameless, i think they Hull KR have behaved like a 13 year old girl whose parents have left for the weekend. She is sat knowing she should stick to a couple of cans of castlemaine but she couldnt resist throwing a party and cracking open the bundaburg rum and no shes throwing up and the house is a mess.

The RFL should probably have locked the drinks cabinet but she has to take responsibility for her bad choices

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Quote: JB Down Under "yeh I'anson has so much potential that he was snapped up by one of those gfairy god mother SL clubs who only invest in British youth and wouldn't dream of signing a 30 year old Aussie. Oh hang on a minute no he wasn't. Geez I wonder what that means?

If HKR had no interest in developing their own, players like I'anson wouldn't have ever got a sniff of first grade. he was given a chance and simply proven to be good enough to get us to the position the club wants to be. I hope he goes well at his new club and gets another shot in the future. Me, I'll trust our coaches judgement.'"

who in turn only seem to trust Australians,

i wonder why none of the other 'fairy godmother clubs' (7 of whom already have british stand offs) arent looking to replace their players with unproven Australians.

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you serious? Do you really want me to list the clubs who over the last say 2-3 seasons have signed no name or end of career NRL players? We could ne here a while!

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On this whole subject, does this mean as RL Fans we should expect Celtic to only Field Welsh Players as they are Welsh or would it be acceptable for them to field 17 Englishmen as they have a GB Passport?
Ben Fisher (for example) has a GB passport yet is classed as an Aussie so where does the foriegn issue stop?
This issue would not being discussed right now had Rovers not made the (argueablly) biggest signing in SL history, however hes an Aussie, please name a current English player who is of this calibre and is available?
None so we did the next best thing for the club which will and should always come before the national setup!!
People are quick to forget that Hall (young english lad) is most probably crossing the Ts and dotting the I's right now and we went very public that we would love to talk to Radford, maybe they both have an Aussie connection.
Where in the football premier league do 95% of the England team play oh that will be in the big 4, we may have finished 4th last year but that does not make us a big 4 club and as such the youngsters may always want to go to what they (and us) see as the big 4.
Its easy to forget that in recent years we lost English players actively playing in our team to what then were bigger clubs I.E Wilkon to Saints and Raliegh to Huddersfield, its also easy to forget that for years we were in the Doldrums where the likes of Radford, Cooke, Yeamen, Both Hornes and the list goes on would have signed for us should we have been in SL, they are all self confessed fans but FC had at the time the setup in place to further these peoples careers.
If in 10 years time we are still using the rules to our advantage then fair enough but until then think logically not blinkered!!!

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and McDonalds should stop selling burgers and fries and just sell lettuce sandwiches in wholegrain bread as it would be better for the country!

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Quote: Old_Faithful_IAKW "This is off the Hull KR fans board, it represents many of their fans starting 17's;

Briscoe
Fox
Welham
Webster
Colbon/Hall
Green
Dobson
Vella (c)

Hodgson
Watts
Mason
Newton
Galea

Lovegrove
Clinton
Fisher

Cockayne

10 out of the first choice 17 born outside the UK which IMO is shocking, to have more overseas players than Englishmen in the 17. Only two players who were brought through their academy too. This is up by 3 on the number they started this season with too. I know Salford are guilty of this too however they seem to be bringing through their own quality youth (Myler, Ratchford etc..) and also Crusaders though they are a newly formed club.

My question is, when does a club stop being 'just promoted and needing to have a few extra Aussies' to needing to do a whole lot better than they are.'"




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Quote: Old_Faithful_IAKW "Please refer to my posts on the Bradford forum about them signing an unknown in Patrick Ah Van and also note what I said about Salford.

HTH.'"



So we are aware you are xenophobic, well done

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