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Quote: GSF "I was ridiculed here for saying that Celtic were not quite ready for SL and that they were doing fine as they were,in the lower leagues.I was of the opinion that they ought to have continued their good work and build more support,become more established whilst aiming for a SL licence in 2012.If,however,for some unfortunate reason they wouldn't be around in 2011/2012 then not much harm done.If the club wasn't strong enough to go three years in between licence applications then they probably wouldn't have survived in SL either.I,along with others, said this,not through self interest or flat cappery but because we thought it was blatantly obvious the right way to go.Now or never was always a pss poor argument.'"


But you're a bitter flat cap moronic Widnes fan just like me. Your opinion on here therefore does not count.

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Quote: Barnacle Bill "But that is not how the SL licensing process works. After next season clubs will need to submit a bid for the next round of licenses to in SL play from 2012. Crusaders don't have "decades" they have a little over a year.

Perhaps your frustration would be better directed towards the RFL who created the whole process, which demands "sort(ing) everything in an instant".'"


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Quote: McClennan "Perhaps many "expansion loonies" don't rush to quick judgements after one season when it's clear that development in a new area can take a couple of decades work. Maybe those "expansion loonies" should stop taking such a long-term view on growing the game and sort everything in an instant.'"
After one season?One season in SL yes but the Crusaders existed in the lower leagues for a couple of years before their fast tracking to SL.Expansion into South Wales was already underway in the lower tier and that is where the Crusaders should have remained til at least 2011.Unless the RL were under pressure from Samuels,you know,the tail wagging the dog.

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Development of RL players in Wales has increased due to Crusaders in SL, this would not have happened to this level if they were in the Championship.
Crusaders have been bankrolled by Samuels for 4 years, had they not been in SL he might have walked away which would have set the club back 10 years. As it stands even if they go back to the Championship they will have done more good for RL in Wales from being in the SL than had they been in the Championship. ffs, it looks like two pro clubs are interested in hosting a Welsh franchise, this would not have happened had Samuels walked away from a Championship club.
Were Crusaders ready for SL? Possibly not. Should we have played the Samuels card when it was available? Absolutely.

PS: Shall we wait until Samuels has left the club and they are desperate to be bankrolled and need to move away from Bridgend permanently before we get all doom and gloom. They have yet to go bankrupt (like Widnes and Gateshead) or to get relegated from the Championship (Leigh), so still the best option.

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Quote: belgianxiii "Development of RL players in Wales has increased due to Crusaders in SL, this would not have happened to this level if they were in the Championship.
Crusaders have been bankrolled by Samuels for 4 years, had they not been in SL he might have walked away which would have set the club back 10 years. As it stands even if they go back to the Championship they will have done more good for RL in Wales from being in the SL than had they been in the Championship. ffs, it looks like two pro clubs are interested in hosting a Welsh franchise, this would not have happened had Samuels walked away from a Championship club.
Were Crusaders ready for SL? Possibly not. Should we have played the Samuels card when it was available? Absolutely.

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indeed, only in rugby league would it be looked on to have two clubs wanting to host games, another party interested in buying the club, another club looking to join the lower tiers to take advantage of the fantastic development work already done as a dead set failure

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I'll give you guys credit.

You could spin a brick out of a bucket of 5hit.

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Quote: Alexs Dad "I'll give you guys credit.

You could spin a brick out of a bucket of 5hit.


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Although i bet Smokey can dissect your post into four parts and offer a crique against all of them.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "indeed, only in rugby league would it be looked on to have two clubs wanting to host games, another party interested in buying the club, another club looking to join the lower tiers to take advantage of the fantastic development work already done as a dead set failure'"

So a club not sure which of its games would be in Liverpool and which would be in Bristol would be a success? If not, why does moving both locations a few miles away into a fictitious national border magically make it a good thing?

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Quote: bowes "So a club not sure which of its games would be in Liverpool and which would be in Bristol would be a success? If not, why does moving both locations a few miles away into a fictitious national border magically make it a good thing?'"

IF Crusaders spend the next 5 years without a home then it will be a problem, yes.

IF however they spend a year away from home and play on-the-road games then that's not a bad thing. Catalans spent the end of one season playing away and have had on-the-road matches for the past few years. We think it's a good thing for French RL. Yes, we are obviously a better club than Crusaders, but that's just because we're from the south of France. I think Quins playing on the road games was good for RL and it's a shame that other clubs (Hull FC, Saints, Leeds, Bradford, Wigan) aren't able to do the same.

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Quote: bowes "So a club not sure which of its games would be in Liverpool and which would be in Bristol would be a success? If not, why does moving both locations a few miles away into a fictitious national border magically make it a good thing?'"


I think you'll find it's not a fictitious national border it is a national border. Wales is a country in it's own right with an assembly that has law making powers. Keep the discussion to RL not whether Wales is a country or not.

When Crusaders were set up, the intent was always as a club for Wales so playing some (but certainly not all I hope) games in other parts of Wales helps spread the word or would you rather we didn't?

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Quote: Traffic "I think you'll find it's not a fictitious national border it is a national border. Wales is a country in it's own right with an assembly that has law making powers. Keep the discussion to RL not whether Wales is a country or not.
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Newport hasn't been part of a country called Wales since the Norman Conquest, and then only had been a couple of decades since Gwynedd unified Wales, and there hasn't been an independent country called Wales since the 1280s and Wales ceased to exist separate form England in the mid 1500s. Until the 1950s there was no such thing as a Welsh capital and until 1974 the borders of Wales weren't fixed. Until very recently there was no Welsh assembly and there is still no separate Welsh legal jurisdiction. Why is it that only British people have no concept of what country they live in? Ask someone in Italy where they live and they say Italy and not Piedmont-Sardinia or Tuscany despite Italy having been a country far far more recently than Wales ceased to be one

Yes it is a real region with some autonomy, but so is London

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Quote: SmokeyTA "indeed, only in rugby league would it be looked on to have two clubs wanting to host games, another party interested in buying the club, another club looking to join the lower tiers to take advantage of the fantastic development work already done as a dead set failure'"


The reason why 2 clubs are looking to host games is because the Crusaders are currently without a home.

The reason why another party is interested in buying the club is because it appears Samuels is threatening to pull the plug.

You also fail to mention the debacle over the 6 deportees and lack of signings for next season, not to mention the wall of silence coming from the club.

Are these really the signs of a club who are on the up and up?

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Quote: SmokeyTA "indeed, only in rugby league would it be looked on to have two clubs wanting to host games, another party interested in buying the club, another club looking to join the lower tiers to take advantage of the fantastic development work already done as a dead set failure'"
leigh wouldn't of been relegated had they been allowed to play with no quota and no cap

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Quote: bowes "So a club not sure which of its games would be in Liverpool and which would be in Bristol would be a success? If not, why does moving both locations a few miles away into a fictitious national border magically make it a good thing?'"
it doesnt, no one has said it does,

its just the RL mentality to look at things that havent yet gone wrong while completely ignoring what is going right,

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