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Quote: Wildthing "Maybe Marsden Giant should ring the club and ask for answers.

As 'mere' fans we don't know half of the 'goings on' at the club.
Unless of course its just MG's personal vendetta against anything Wakefield?

One does wonder.'"


Does one? Wow.

Amazing how some wakey fans write about vendettas! My comments have been about your finances (where most wakey fans were denying there was a probem) Winterstein (taking on overseas reserve graders when you have loads of overseas players) and now Stosic and 10 / 11 overseas players. All legit RL and hardly a vendetta icon_lol.gif Some wakey fans seem touchy.

The last 2 points are the same theme. And the theme of this thread.

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Quote: Marsdengiant "Nothing to say on having 10 / 11 non fed trained players? No surprise there.
Back to tugging your forlock TRB
Sure have - for those sensible enough to understand it! icon_wink.gif

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Quote: TRB "Sure have - for those sensible enough to understand it!
Yeah yeah. Or perhaps those gullible enough to believe it. Careful with the forlock old chap icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Marsdengiant "Yeah yeah. Or perhaps those gullible enough to believe it. Careful with the forlock old chap

I will - old chap! icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Marsdengiant "Does one? Wow.

Amazing how some wakey fans write about vendettas! My comments have been about your finances (where most wakey fans were denying there was a probem) Winterstein (taking on overseas reserve graders when you have loads of overseas players) and now Stosic and 10 / 11 overseas players. All legit RL and hardly a vendetta
Amazing indeed.

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Quote: Wildthing "Amazing indeed.'"


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Quote: Marsdengiant "Does one? Wow.

Amazing how some wakey fans write about vendettas! My comments have been about:'"


Quote: Marsdengiant "your finances '"


Quote: Marsdengiant "Winterstein '"


Quote: Marsdengiant "Stosic'"


Quote: Marsdengiant "10 / 11 overseas players'"


Definition of vendetta
A situation in which someone has angry and negative feelings towards someone else and keeps trying to harm them or to cause problems for them
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Condemned by your own words!

I can't be bothered searching for all the other threads you've jumped on with your negativity towards Wakefield

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signing seven of our own academy into the first team with at least another four next season i would guess(from this seasons side) is a fantastic thing for the british game, however they can not all be stuck straight into the first team so bringing in some experienced player seems sensible dosent it?

cant see how this long term strategy can possibly be a bad thing

what are your club doing to promote the young british talent icon_confused.gif:

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In fairness though as mentioned we have lost several of our young british talents Atkins and Grix for instance, so i'll make a swift 2 points -

1) Who is there around at the moment who Wakey could afford, who would not be a massive loss of ability in either positon and from the UK?

2) I believe that there isn't anyone who meets all 3 of the above criteria and therefore i would rather see a proven overseas player there, than some average youth who is in the team for no other reason than he is British.

Having said that though, I do agree that 10 overseas players is going against the spirit of the quota system and the new forward thinking that is becoming more prevalent in the game in general.

And really, we arn't that much more guilty than any other team, its the whole thing needs looking at and the rules on overseas players tightening up.

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Quote: TrinityIHC "In fairness though as mentioned we have lost several of our young british talents Atkins and Grix for instance, so i'll make a swift 2 points -

1) Who is there around at the moment who Wakey could afford, who would not be a massive loss of ability in either positon and from the UK?

2) I believe that there isn't anyone who meets all 3 of the above criteria and therefore i would rather see a proven overseas player there, than some average youth who is in the team for no other reason than he is British.

Having said that though, I do agree that 10 overseas players is going against the spirit of the quota system and the new forward thinking that is becoming more prevalent in the game in general.

And really, we arn't that much more guilty than any other team, its the whole thing needs looking at and the rules on overseas players tightening up.'"


agree 100% got to say the rules at the moment are there to be bent broken however you look at them, its about time there was a blanket block, no more than 4 overseas players, irrespective of where they are from. overseas is any country or continent not directly connected with GB. how simple is that not Franks grandad came from Azerbajan, or Peters great great grandma was from Outer Mongolia.....

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Quote: TrinityIHC "In fairness though as mentioned we have lost several of our young british talents Atkins and Grix for instance, so i'll make a swift 2 points -

1) Who is there around at the moment who Wakey could afford, who would not be a massive loss of ability in either positon and from the UK?

2) I believe that there isn't anyone who meets all 3 of the above criteria and therefore i would rather see a proven overseas player there, than some average youth who is in the team for no other reason than he is British.

Having said that though, I do agree that 10 overseas players is going against the spirit of the quota system and the new forward thinking that is becoming more prevalent in the game in general.

And really, we arn't that much more guilty than any other team, its the whole thing needs looking at and the rules on overseas players tightening up.'"



that really isnt the issue is it, Wakefield dont deserve an advantage because they were embarrasingly poor previously, and in effect thats what you would get

Clubs for too long have been protected from their own incompetence and that really is terrible for the game as a whole

if Wakefield using 10/11 overseas players next season finish 8th ahead of a club who use say 6 overseas players, that other club has been punished by giving something back to the game, where is their reward for investing in our games future?

why wouldnt that clubs management then think sod this bringing through youngsters and giving them a chance malarky, Wakefield are getting all the benefits of play off rugby by spending less on some mediocre imports, lets get rid of these youngsters who [imight[/i take us to play off rugby and spend the money on these Aussies who [iwill[/i take us to play off rugby instead

if Wakefield have to be for a season or two to bring through their talent, so be it, thats how it works, if you need to play a player not quite as good as an import you could get, good, then a club who has invested in developing youngsters, and who has given a chance to british youngsters will get their reward and you will get yours

whilst Wakefields fans are defending their club, think of it another way, how will they feel if they lose out on a play off spot to a club with 14 overseas players? what if every team just says sod it and employs a squad full of overseas players then Wakefield are still left at the bottom because they cant spend as much as everyone else, so other teams get better imports and we are back where we started but with more imports and nobody has benefitted

its shameful form, that clubs are using loopholes like these, but they are only of a benefit whilst other clubs dont use them, they are punishing clubs for doing what we want them to do

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Quote: SmokeyTA "its shameful form, that clubs are using loopholes like these, but they are only of a benefit whilst other clubs dont use them, they are punishing clubs for doing what we want them to do'"


They are not loopholes - they are the rules under which we all operate. The rules are designed to protect the employment of previously existing players, and once they have gone we will all have reduced levels as the rules have been tightened severely - which is right.

In the meantime, Wakefield have improved their junior development beyond any other club - so in that sense we are doing at least as much, if not more, to develop the quality and quantity of player production than all the other clubs at SL level - so what't the problem exactly? icon_cool.gif

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Quote: TRB "They are not loopholes - they are the rules under which we all operate. The rules are designed to protect the employment of previously existing players, and once they have gone we will all have reduced levels as the rules have been tightened severely - which is right.

In the meantime, Wakefield have improved their junior development beyond any other club - so in that sense we are doing at least as much, if not more, to develop the quality and quantity of player production than all the other clubs at SL level - so what't the problem exactly?
no they are loopholes, they are actions contrary to the spirit of the rules, rules put in place to increase the number of british youngsters in the game, not the number of Australians who can get a macedonian passport, the rules werent put in place to protect new players who can get a passport for a country we legally cannot stop earning a living here

in the meantime, Wakefield can surely rely on their youngsters, or if not suffer the consequences of not putting the effort into junior development earlier

and the problem is Wakefield signing of players like Stosic ahead of british players makes it harder for other clubs to sign british youngsters ahead of players like Stosic

again, the only reason Wakefield need to keep a player like Stosic is because some others dont follow the same route

if all clubs acted like Wakefield, then Wakefield would be back at the bottom as others could spend more on more and better imports

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Quote: Marsdengiant "'"
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[It says that they have 30-50% fewer than Wakey]

Are you sure about that??

You say Wakefield arent within the spirit of the rules.

I dont recall it being Wakey that set the ball rolling,looking for exemptions,i would say Simon Finnegan and Bradford(although i recall Bradford denying anything to do with it) starting the ball rolling when challenging the new quota rules.Was it then followed HKR who started looking for exemptions for Stanley Gene.

I doubt if any club isnt actually manipulating the rules to their benefit.

As ive already said 10/11 is very poor,but Wakey are just the poorest of the poor when it comes to overseas signings,no club has anything particular to be proud of when the best we can get to is 5 overseas players.

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