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The Communist Cap - dragging down success and aspiration to the levels of those who cba.:



Quote: SBR "The standard below the top two is rising. Clubs are closing in the top two teams. That is better than increasing the gap in standards that ultimately results in lower standards all round, yes.'"


The thing is you actually believe that don't you?

This is why we will never agree on the CC.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "i]


so its better than we have 2 teams who run at 50% capacity all year so the utter crap we have in this league right now doesnt look quite so crap,

until they are blown away in the playoffs, this is somehow better?'"


The team that finished 8th in the regular rounds got to within 80 minutes of the GF and gave a strong performance against the eventual winners in their SF. The team that finished 7th went out in the first round to the fourth semifinalist, losing 18-12. this is your definition of being "blown away in the playoffs"?


Quote: SmokeyTA "The thing is you actually believe that don't you? '"


see above

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Quote: SmokeyTA "

look at nal who have spent comparatively little but they have still consistantly challenged

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Arsenal are one of the big 4, not one of those challenging, they got through the CL door just before it shut. Teams like Leeds Utd used to be in it once upon a time. I'm bet they are glad there is no cap in football to foil their ambitions.
Good management was once enough to get Derby and Notts Forest to the top. Couldn't happen now. The dream is dead.

Manchester City's recent splurge might have put them up there, but the top 4 will have had the biggest wage bills for a number of years - plus the added pull of being one of only 4 teams who can realistically expect to win something. The idea of Arsenal as a little club proving it can be done against the odds is frankly laughable.

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Quote: J. Willard Gibbs "Then what, exactly, are you talking about?'"


as was put before, 14/15 year olds who play numerous sports, the ones who will need to pick one to try for a career in, to join an proffessional player pathway,

which you somehow confused with 7 year olds and calculators

Quote: J. Willard Gibbs "We can't compete with football, or what RU offers. Thinking we can if you abandon the salary cap is weird.'"
we can compete, we may not win but we can compete, the size of the GP and SL are similar and we can certainly compete with 3rd division football,


Quote: J. Willard Gibbs "
If they're good enough - like I said, we can't compete with what football and RU offer. The salary cap is nowt to do with that.'"
the salary cap caps salaries, its what it does, it is its reason for being, to limit the amount players earn is everything the cap stands for, it is use

in fact if it doesnt do this, it cant possibly be a salary cap, it is self evident that a salary cap will cap what players earn

i really dont see how you are struggling with this,

the salary cap caps salaries, this makes us less attractive a career, this means we attract less, and we are clearly poorer for it


Quote: J. Willard Gibbs "I doubt it. RU has always been much bigger in this country, even when it was technically amateur. Hence, more players. It always had better media coverage too - the salary cap is nothing to do with that.'"
well you should, your assertion is very very wrong!



Quote: J. Willard Gibbs "The same players who were paid less would be just as good as the modern players if you put them in a modern environment.'"
but there would be fewer of them

Quote: J. Willard Gibbs "Scottish footballers are paid more now than they were. Are there a larger number of top quality Scottish footballers these days? Certainly doesn't seem that way, does it?'"
there were more playing in the bigger better english leagues previously, surprisingly enough, because they earned more money.

Quote: J. Willard Gibbs "And it's not because of the salary cap.'"

not solely no, but partly.
or are you saying athletes dont go where the money is, in your argument we need a cap otherwise all the players would play for one big club as it would be able to pay them more?


Quote: J. Willard Gibbs "We don't have them because we have little national and media profile and we're not a fashionable game.'"
so we need to offer them something else, maybe money? you know, the reason pro sport is professional


Quote: J. Willard Gibbs "It's nothing to do with a salary cap. Removing the salary cap will not see a massive influx of all these people who are just [idying[/i to play RL but currently are not.'"

as evidenced by the pre SC days when we never had players like Offiah, Davies, Gibbs, etc playing RL, oh hang on

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Quote: Starbug "This all comes down to people mistakenly thinking that proffessional sport is a business like other proper businesses, it isn't'"


Exactly - the ideal outcome for a conventional business is driving your competitors out of business and monopolising the market, subject to the local laws.

That's the worst possible outcome for a sporting competition, where the entire existence relies on the ability to provide competition on the pitch for the fans and viewers to enjoy.

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Quote: SBR "The standard below the top two is rising. Clubs are closing in the top two teams. That is better than increasing the gap in standards that ultimately results in lower standards all round, yes.'"
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Quote: tb "The team that finished 8th in the regular rounds got to within 80 minutes of the GF and gave a strong performance against the eventual winners in their SF. The team that finished 7th went out in the first round to the fourth semifinalist, losing 18-12. this is your definition of being "blown away in the playoffs"?




see above'"


see the performances of the teams who finished 3rd and 4th against those who finished 1st and 2nd,

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Lets also get some perspective here.

Jamie Peacock, Brent Webb, Kevin Sinfield, Ali Lauitiiti, Danny Buderus - these players are hardly going to be going hungry are they?

I read Sinfield's same comments in the matchday programme and for me, it was perhaps more a reference to some of the fringe players in the squad - Ryan Bailey, Ian Kirke, Carl Ablett, Luke Burgess, Ryan Hall - the kind of players that every squad needs but are still usually towards the bottom end of the pay scale.

I think we also need to remember that not everybody is as shallow and materialistic as Kenny comes across as. Not everybody is motivated by the size of their wage slip - for some, personal achievement, job satisfaction and their situation outside their career are equally, if not more important.

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Life should be all about stability and that’s what rugby league is trying to breathe through into its clubs. Football ‘stars’ getting millions is only widening the gap between the rich and poor. I’m not saying that footballer don’t deserve this wage because football and entertainment is a big audience meaning big money however its morally wrong.

Whilst someone gets paid 200k a week for kicking a ball about you’ll find family’s up and down the country doing jobs they hate just to keep a roof over their head whilst these football stars get to live through this misery we have on this planet a lot easier. This lifestyle of the rich is pushed upon us on a daily bases through newspapers and the tv - its like taking the in a way.

In this world its just one extreme to another when in hindsight all we need is something to do, food on our plates, roofs over our head in order to get through life. Unfortunately we’ve developed greed.

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Quote: bramleyrhino "Lets also get some perspective here.

Jamie Peacock, Brent Webb, Kevin Sinfield, Ali Lauitiiti, Danny Buderus - these players are hardly going to be going hungry are they?'"


not the point really is it

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Quote: J. Willard Gibbs "Exactly - the ideal outcome for a conventional business is driving your competitors out of business and monopolising the market, subject to the local laws.

That's the worst possible outcome for a sporting competition, where the entire existence relies on the ability to provide competition on the pitch for the fans and viewers to enjoy.'"


Also in a conventional business you can be the worst in the country but still be a success , ie make a good profit

In a sports ' business ' you can be the best in the league/country/world and yet be financially a disaster , Chelsea and now Manchester City spring to mind

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Quote: SmokeyTA "as was put before, 14/15 year olds who play numerous sports, the ones who will need to pick one to try for a career in, to join an proffessional player pathway,

which you somehow confused with 7 year olds and calculators'"


No, I pointed out that almost our entire player base comes from people who play the game because they want to when they're kids. You talk about attracting more players - that's where you start. And the salary cap has nothing to do with that situation.

Quote: SmokeyTA "we can compete, we may not win but we can compete, the size of the GP and SL are similar'"


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