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Quote: Wellsy13 "Bill, I think this is one of the problems with the way the franchise criteria is set out. Like you say, clubs that are outside of SL and making great strides are handicapped by the fact that they aren't already in SL, whereas a club in SL that is underperforming can still look good in comparison because they are being propped up by SL.

ExampleIt's totally unfair for the Championship clubs.
IMO, there should be a criteria for Championship clubs and a criteria for SL clubs. If they want a 10,000 average in SL, then they should be aiming for about one-third of that for the Championship. Same with income. Playing standards have been accounted for already (top-8 average vs GF appearance). I think a club like Salford would struggle with a Championship criteria if they were in there, and Widnes wouldn't.



I think that if a SL club cannot achieve even a B status after having over 3 years in the SL then their SL future should be in extreme doubt. If clubs can't sort their grounds out then they seriously need to look at other parts of their franchise. We'd all love as many clubs as possible in SL, but there's a limit, and there are too many decent clubs building in the Championship who want to make a real go of it to just let C grade clubs drag them down. Cas, Wakey, Rovers, Celtic, Quins, Salford need to be showing progression. Rovers are building their crowds and upgrading their stadium. Cas don't seem to be moving forward or backwards at all but are getting somewhere with their stadium which should move them up a level. Wakey are improving, but they were REALLY poor before so is it enough? Salford desperately need their stadium. Celtic and Quins can't always play the expansion card.

There's Widnes, Leigh, Halifax of the heartlands clubs and Gateshead, Toulouse and Sheffield of the expansion clubs in the Championship that have access to a SL quality ground and are building as clubs. There's no room for complacency.'"


Not really some Championship clubs will be very fairly treated , some wont

That's the way it is

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Please lock this one.

I hate to think about all the time this has wasted for so many.

What utter garbage, four games in! icon_rolleyes.gif

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Agreed.

We can open it again after 7 games........only joking.

Let's at least give it a season before debating.

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when the score got to 50 we shouted for more, up popped brad davis went over for four..... ......and its no nay never no nay never no more will we face religation...... big barrie mac.' the cas forads av been bob on' [quote="chissitt":3gx4tjo6]Pyeman I wish you would stop talking so much sense. I am in danger of becomming one of your biggest fans. :lol:[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="vastman":3gx4tjo6]Westerman looks the most promising for a long time.[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="Leyther_Matt":3gx4tjo6]The best proper 'rugby pub' in the country has to be the Boot Room at Cas[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="Bolton_Warrior":3gx4tjo6]The only time I ever doubted going to watch Wigan was when we bare face cheated to stay in superleague[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="Danril":3gx4tjo6] Last night, despite being poor and not deserving the win, we should have won.[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [img:3gx4tjo6]http://www.rlfans.com/images/sigs/castigers.gif[/img:3gx4tjo6]:32116.jpg



Quote: Disco "This is essentially the ethos behind all you're arguing isn't it? "Screw the little guy, they don't maximise my profits". My stance revolves around avoiding disillusioning even the little guy when there's no real reason to do so, and when you continually refer to that as a "strange" way of thinking I just feel sorry for you.'"


There are two types of fans that want expansion, those who want all clubs to grow and better themselves, whilst new clubs come into the fold, and those who only care about certain clubs, and would be happy to see 10 teams die out if it meant a couple of big city teams prosper. Both sides have there reasons, but as an RL fans i want all rl teams to prosper and belive in taking measures to do this, as opposed to helping some clubs but not others.

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when the score got to 50 we shouted for more, up popped brad davis went over for four..... ......and its no nay never no nay never no more will we face religation...... big barrie mac.' the cas forads av been bob on' [quote="chissitt":3gx4tjo6]Pyeman I wish you would stop talking so much sense. I am in danger of becomming one of your biggest fans. :lol:[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="vastman":3gx4tjo6]Westerman looks the most promising for a long time.[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="Leyther_Matt":3gx4tjo6]The best proper 'rugby pub' in the country has to be the Boot Room at Cas[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="Bolton_Warrior":3gx4tjo6]The only time I ever doubted going to watch Wigan was when we bare face cheated to stay in superleague[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="Danril":3gx4tjo6] Last night, despite being poor and not deserving the win, we should have won.[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [img:3gx4tjo6]http://www.rlfans.com/images/sigs/castigers.gif[/img:3gx4tjo6]:32116.jpg



Quote: Dico "I think Smokey raises some very good points but I agree with the initial point that no club should be dropped for an 'expansion' club at this time.
I feel this was the reason that Cas or Wakey weren't dropped last year, there's no point destroying a current SL club for a 'gamble'.

In time that might change, however what i'd like to see in time, possibly ten years would be two conferences. RL has always been innovative in this country and if we had 20 teams at some point i'd like to see an East and a West conference playing each other home and away and playing each team from the other conference alternating each year H/A, 27 games plus Magic, culminating in a Grand Final between the conferences.
Or possibly a playoff system involving the top 4 from each combined to form a top 8, similar to the NHL system.
Thoughts?'"


I think your right that a conferance system is the way we have to go, though i think we should aim for 2 12 team league (32 game season, with magic weekend) something like

leeds
bradford
huddersfield
wakefield
castleford
halifax/sheffield
hull fc
hull kr
quins
skolars
gateshead
scottish team

wigan
saints
widnes
salford
leigh
wire
catalans
toulouse
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cumbrian team
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Quote: pyeman "I think your right that a conferance system is the way we have to go, though i think we should aim for 2 12 team league (32 game season, with magic weekend) something like

leeds
bradford
huddersfield
wakefield
castleford
halifax/sheffield
hull fc
hull kr
quins
skolars
gateshead
scottish team

wigan
saints
widnes
salford
leigh
wire
catalans
toulouse
irish team
cumbrian team
celtic crusaders
birmingham/liecester'"


How did you get a 32-game season?

And if we got to that many teams (which won't happen for years, if ever!), you could maybe go with a three 8-team conferences, with another cup competition in the middle.

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Quote: pyeman "I think your right that a conferance system is the way we have to go, though i think we should aim for 2 12 team league (32 game season, with magic weekend) something like
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32 games a season is too many with playoffs and the challenge cup on top, your looking at elite players playing 40 games a year before any internationals,

plus 8 teams from yorkshire in a 12 team league? a bit much isnt it

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Quote: Barnacle Bill "

Why would an existing club even if it is still a C be removed to be replaced with another C grade club'"



because the existing club has failed to make the grade, they were given and opportunity to do so and they didnt do it,

so someone else gets a go,

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Quote: SmokeyTA "because the existing club has failed to make the grade, they were given and opportunity to do so and they didnt do it,

so someone else gets a go,'"


Yes I agree that if a club has done nothing and made no improvements at all then they could and should be demoted.

I think though that there is every possibility given the three year license that every club should be able to demonstrate major improvements in many of the franchise criteria so that they are at least well on the way to being at least B license clubs which would be more than any Championship club could do.

I just think it's going to be very hard for a club outside of SL to be demonstrably better than any existing SL club in three years time.

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Quote: Barnacle Bill "Yes I agree that if a club has done nothing and made no improvements at all then they could and should be demoted.

I think though that there is every possibility given the three year license that every club should be able to demonstrate major improvements in many of the franchise criteria so that they are at least well on the way to being at least B license clubs which would be more than any Championship club could do.

I just think it's going to be very hard for a club outside of SL to be demonstrably better than any existing SL club in three years time.'"


i dont think it will be hard, i think it will be nigh on impossible for any championship to prove itself better than an SL club in three years time,

which is why those making the franchise decision will take into account whether the club was in the championship or in SL when it looks at what that club has done over the past few years

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I'll jump on the band wagon and strongly suggest that at the end of this 3 years SL will be the same as it is and there will STILL be no place for a couple of teams who believe they have a divine right to be there.

If, there is any alteration it will be eitherbe by an additional club or a team away from the heartlands will replace a set of planks (if they blow their existing SL franchise then that is the ONLY conclusion).

However this is RL and strange things happen that mystify and bemuse.

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when the score got to 50 we shouted for more, up popped brad davis went over for four..... ......and its no nay never no nay never no more will we face religation...... big barrie mac.' the cas forads av been bob on' [quote="chissitt":3gx4tjo6]Pyeman I wish you would stop talking so much sense. I am in danger of becomming one of your biggest fans. :lol:[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="vastman":3gx4tjo6]Westerman looks the most promising for a long time.[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="Leyther_Matt":3gx4tjo6]The best proper 'rugby pub' in the country has to be the Boot Room at Cas[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="Bolton_Warrior":3gx4tjo6]The only time I ever doubted going to watch Wigan was when we bare face cheated to stay in superleague[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="Danril":3gx4tjo6] Last night, despite being poor and not deserving the win, we should have won.[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [img:3gx4tjo6]http://www.rlfans.com/images/sigs/castigers.gif[/img:3gx4tjo6]:32116.jpg



Quote: SmokeyTA "32 games a season is too many with playoffs and the challenge cup on top, your looking at elite players playing 40 games a year before any internationals,

plus 8 teams from yorkshire in a 12 team league? a bit much isnt it'"


Whilst i realise that is alot of games a season, i think in the long run rl is going to have to have bigger sqauds and a rule that a player can only play say, 25-30 games a season, which will give more chances for young players.

I roughly divided the leagues into east and west (less travel means more people can attend away games and derbies are preserved) with both sides having expansion clubs included. Yorkshire is the heartland of rl too with more sustainable (or potentially sustainable) clubs than anywhere else and these clubs should be given the chance to thrive in sl. Yorkshire is 4 counties as well so considering the 2 counties of lancashire/cheshire has 6 teams 8 split between 3 counties isnt that much of a stretch.

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when the score got to 50 we shouted for more, up popped brad davis went over for four..... ......and its no nay never no nay never no more will we face religation...... big barrie mac.' the cas forads av been bob on' [quote="chissitt":3gx4tjo6]Pyeman I wish you would stop talking so much sense. I am in danger of becomming one of your biggest fans. :lol:[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="vastman":3gx4tjo6]Westerman looks the most promising for a long time.[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="Leyther_Matt":3gx4tjo6]The best proper 'rugby pub' in the country has to be the Boot Room at Cas[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="Bolton_Warrior":3gx4tjo6]The only time I ever doubted going to watch Wigan was when we bare face cheated to stay in superleague[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="Danril":3gx4tjo6] Last night, despite being poor and not deserving the win, we should have won.[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [img:3gx4tjo6]http://www.rlfans.com/images/sigs/castigers.gif[/img:3gx4tjo6]:32116.jpg



Quote: Wellsy13 "How did you get a 32-game season?

And if we got to that many teams (which won't happen for years, if ever!), you could maybe go with a three 8-team conferences, with another cup competition in the middle.'"


Using dico's method from earlier on in the thread but with more teams.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "i dont think it will be hard, i think it will be nigh on impossible for any championship to prove itself better than an SL club in three years time,

which is why those making the franchise decision will take into account whether the club was in the championship or in SL when it looks at what that club has done over the past few years[/quote]

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Quote: pyeman "Using dico's method from earlier on in the thread but with more teams.'"


Quote: pyeman "if we had 20 teams at some point i'd like to see an East and a West conference playing each other home and away and playing each team from the other conference alternating each year H/A, 27 games plus Magic, culminating in a Grand Final between the conferences.
'"


Well his method doesn't add up either then.
10 team conference, H&A Whilst i realise that is alot of games a season, i think in the long run rl is going to have to have bigger sqauds and a rule that a player can only play say, 25-30 games a season, which will give more chances for young players.'"

So as well as more teams from the same area, you want bigger squads as well? 6 West Yorkshire teams with bigger bigger squads. Where are all the quality players going to come from? Unless they developed some kind of feeder system where they have academies and feeder teams from different areas, then the talent will be spread way too thin for one area.

Quote: pyeman "Yorkshire is 4 counties as well so considering the 2 counties of lancashire/cheshire has 6 teams 8 split between 3 counties isnt that much of a stretch.'"

The Lancashire teams cover three counties, not too (Grt. Manchester, Merseyside and Cheshire). If you had Halifax, then you'd have 6 teams in one county (West Yorkshire). Might be a bit of a stretch, that.

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SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield-Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Hull KR
Sat 8th Mar
SL
17:30
Catalans-Leeds
Sun 9th Mar
SL
17:30
Warrington-Wakefield
SL
17:30
Wigan-Huddersfield
Thu 20th Mar
SL
20:00
Salford-Huddersfield
Fri 21st Mar
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Warrington
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
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Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
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