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| Quote: Tigerade "Its taken a long time to "smell the rat". You were all warned by Bigalf on your forum about the devil in the detail but failed to take it on.'"
When did Bigalf 'warn' us all. Months after the horse had bolted? Hindsight is a wonderful gift.
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| Quote: coco the fullback "When did Bigalf 'warn' us all. Months after the horse had bolted? Hindsight is a wonderful gift.'"
He didn't, and now his little lickspittle is snidely stirring poop. The only difference being Bigalf had a modicum of intellect and
therefore didn't come across quite as foolish.
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| Will the trust be taking Sir Rodders to court as well as the council?
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| Quote: duke street 10 "Will the trust be taking Sir Rodders to court as well as the council?'"
Not sure he's done anything illegal, just extremely immoral unfortunately. To be honest, it seems he's irrelevant at this point anyway. If the trusts lawyer is correct and is it indeed within the council's power to draft a new multi-party agreement and have Newcold contribute towards the trigger point then I can't see any reason whatsoever for not doing this. The only people who wouldn't benefit from this would be Yorkcourt, and they've already benefitted enough by being given all that green belt land to build on.
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It was only last week that your chairman stated "At no point have I blamed the council and I'm not asking the council for money, all I am asking them for is the support to enforce what was promised five years ago. That is what we are fighting for"
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www.skysports.com/rugby-league/n ... e-vue-exit
Now you are willing to take £2 million in council tax payers money. Need to make your mind up.
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It was only last week that your chairman stated "At no point have I blamed the council and I'm not asking the council for money, all I am asking them for is the support to enforce what was promised five years ago. That is what we are fighting for"
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Now you are willing to take £2 million in council tax payers money. Need to make your mind up.
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| Quote: Tigerade "It was only last week that your chairman stated "At no point have I blamed the council and I'm not asking the council for money, all I am asking them for is the support to enforce what was promised five years ago. That is what we are fighting for"
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"Enforce what was promised five years ago". Eg. a stadium built by Yorkcourt once 60,000 sq m of warehousing was built with £2 million from the council, as they'd made a commitment to doing during the planning application. Very different to the way you like to imply that we're asking the council to just build a whole stadium for us. Again, the big thing is them enforcing the fact that Newcold should contribute to the trigger point and we should be roughly 75% of the way there once the expansion is completed. For example, I suspect that if the council came to the trust and said okay, we'll draft up a new multi-party agreement with Newcold contributing to the trigger point but you have to find the £2 million somewhere else that the trust would probably agree because getting Newcold to contribute is the key thing here.
If I were Cas and Fev I would probably be on to the council as well asking for £2 million, although I suspect the difference is that Cas were offered £2 million towards the original Glasshoughton project which is obviously now dead as opposed to Wakefield being offered £2 million towards a development which has had planning permission passed under the assumption that the council would be contributing said £2 million. Although Fev probably have a good case that the council should give them £2 million too as I'm not particularly sure what's changed there, and again I wouldn't have a problem with them doing so as, unlike you so often love to imply, Wakefield fans aren't actually looking for special treatment.
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| Tigerade you are such a one eyed div it's not that unbelievable I guess.
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| Quote: jakeyg95 "If I were Cas and Fev I would probably be on to the council as well asking for £2 million, although I suspect the difference is that Cas were offered £2 million towards the original Glasshoughton project which is obviously now dead as opposed to Wakefield being offered £2 million towards a development which has had planning permission passed under the assumption that the council would be contributing said £2 million. Although Fev probably have a good case that the council should give them £2 million too as I'm not particularly sure what's changed there, and again I wouldn't have a problem with them doing so as, unlike you so often love to imply, Wakefield fans aren't actually looking for special treatment.'"
Totally agree with this. What I don't understand is how WMDC can offer this when they are closing sporting facilities like swimming pools and golf - they haven't got £6 million spare to spend.
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| Supporter of clubs with less potential than us will hope we don't get the community stadium build.
Up the Trin
Love this Club
Love this City
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| Quote: Tigerade "Totally agree with this. What I don't understand is how WMDC can offer this when they are closing sporting facilities like swimming pools and golf - they haven't got £6 million spare to spend.'"
What I don't understand when taking the above into account, is that there's a development at Newmarket that's signed and sealed by the S of S on certain conditions being fullfilled by the developer. Which WMDC could really push and get behind if they wanted and who knows, maybe attract new businesses to the area at Newmarket, which would have the added bonus of extra jobs being available. If they did that, there's basically a big sports facility and Community Stadium, at virtually no cost to them and yet they hardly seem interested.
Maybe the difference between the Newarket develoment is, that it's a proper Communinty Facility that isn't going to be handed over to Trinity for free for them to then own as an assett afterwards, we'll just be tennants. Unlike the potential Cas stadium. Plus like I mentioned above, the Stadium is just part of a wider sports facilities. Which if it ever gets completed to plans, is meant to have a load of all weather pitches etc that can be used by the Community for a number of other sports through the year.
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| The agreement the trust, fronted up by Rodney Walker signed with the developer of Newmarket, that they would build Wakefield a new stadium to play out of, when a certain amount of units had been built and occupied, adding up to 60,000sqm in total.
The problem is the trigger point hasn't been reached, even taking the Newcold eye saw into account, a lot more units will have to be built to reach that trigger point, and I don't think Newcold will be added to the s106. According to the Met, Sir Rodney knew and didn't object to this, so it seems he has some hard questions to answer .
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| The point is the trigger point will never be met if WMDC continue to allow future applications to sit outside of the UU. They had the power to not grant the Newcold application, they chose to approve it and allow it to not contribute to the enabling development. They can not or will not say why they did this. They've even refused a FOI request. They have something to hide. This goes beyond sports facilities and the more exposure this gets the more uncomfortable certain officials will be getting.
Id love to be proved wrong but unfortunately I don't think a new stadium will come from this action, however if shady dealings have been going on then it's only right those who have benefited are punished.
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| Quote: Wildthing " Bigalf had a modicum of intellect'"
Praise indeed!! Cheers!
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| Quote: frank5613 "The agreement the trust, fronted up by Rodney Walker signed with the developer of Newmarket, that they would build Wakefield a new stadium to play out of, when a certain amount of units had been built and occupied, adding up to 60,000sqm in total.
The problem is the trigger point hasn't been reached, even taking the Newcold eye saw into account, a lot more units will have to be built to reach that trigger point, and I don't think Newcold will be added to the s106. According to the Met, Sir Rodney knew and didn't object to this, so it seems he has some hard questions to answer .'"
That's the thing, the Newcold is getting extened & doubled in size to abbout 44,600m2. Just imagine if all of it counted towards said trigger point, we would only be 15,400m2 off and imo when more of the site gets developed, like it is currently, I believe more will get built.
Like others have said, why wasn't it part of the trigger point in the first place by WMDC. WMDC and Yorkcort know that they only got the land because of the 15,000 signatures and the promise of decent sporting facilities for the Community, so why not enforce it. Even at this point there's no reason they can't add it to the S106 in the form of a multi-party agreement, although I doubt they will.
Also they're passing the buck a bit saying they told Rodders (although he comes out of this looking shady tbh). It should be in their own interests to have this part of the trigger point & get this development up and running properly. Ateotd they're meant to be working for the Community to enforce what was promised.
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| Rodney Walker is a sideline issue thrown in by WMDC to distract attention away from the truth. Rodney may have some questions to answer and he certainly seems to have acted in an immoral manner.
The quoting of "No Objections" is also irrelevant as it too is a distraction from the WMDCs possibly illegal failure to enforce the SOSs ruling. There's also some very suspicious and questionable anomalies surrounding the timing, wording and transparency of WMDCs planning documents pertaining to the Newcold build.
The main question is why did WMDC choose to allow the Newcold build to fall outside the UU (which IS a S106) when they have a legal obligation to to enforce The SoSs ruling.
That ruling stated that the land involved would only be lifted out of the Green Belt on the express provision that the developer built Community Sports facilities and a Community Stadium once 60,000sqm of warehousing was built out.
The SoSs Officer clearly ruled that this was a legal condition and that the land in question could not be disaggregated. What that means is that the ruling is on the land and not any particular planning application. Therefore any planning application is subject to this condition and it is the legal obligation of the ruling Planning Authority (WMDC) to ensure its enforcement!
There seems to be no logical reason whatsoever for WMDC not to enforce the SoSs ruling, indeed they have brought suspicion and possible legal action against themselves by not enforcing it.
The subsequent intransigence, evasiveness and failure to answer the charge against them further increases a feeling of complete distrust in WMDC and in particular its Leader, Peter Box.
Obtuse statements that the WMDC did not sign the UU and it therefore has nothing to do with them, that WMDC are not beneficiaries of the UU which they clearly are and that they are not responsible for enforcing a planning application ruling for a huge development IN WAKEFIELD are so crazy and illogical as to invite suspicion.
Refusing Freedom of Information requests and eventually admitting that legal advice fundamental to their position hasn't been kept on record is at best incompetent and at worst. . . we'll make your own mind up!
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