The international weekend in june, players from those two clubs would be excempt from international duty, with a may final this wouldnt be a problem. Either that or scrap the so called "magic" weekend, its about time the RFL realised that peoples pockets are only so deep and something has to give.

On top of forking out for season tickets they expect people to pay for wembley, magic, grand final followed next season by 3 tests v the aussies including another trip to London, do they not read the news or dies austerity not enter thier vocabulary.

Personally ive never been to magic and never will ,id rather spend that money taking the wife on a city break to europe than spend hours in a cramped seat watching teams ive no interest in

What international weekend? Devalue internationals? You could strip the England team of half it’s players if they’re playing then.

Expect people to pay? They’re putting an event on. No-one is saying you personally have to go to every single RL event in a year. Which basically boils down to you don’t like Magic Weekend. Which is fine, but obviously plenty of people do enjoy going. Again, just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean everyone can’t like it.

I think the most you can get away with re the Cup Final is a double header. Anymore than that and you’ll still have empty seats for the final itself.

As Axe2Grind has alluded to and others have said for a while, we need the sport to change the way it operates. It’s far too fragmented for such a small sport. Yes Man City and Liverpool can operate in a fragmented market to sell their own tickets for football events, we aren’t strong enough. We can’t continue with this - Club A only sells tickets for an event Club A is directly involved in and the RFL picks up the rest. It has to be a whole sport approach.
No amateur games on any event weekend. Amateur and pro clubs incentivised to sell tickets and travel with discounts for travel and accommodation negotiated by the RFL. Amateur and Pro clubs should also be putting mini events on of their own. Why aren’t they putting the game on in their function rooms, put a bit of food on get a couple of players there and make a bit of money themselves etc etc

Perhaps an improvement on your idea would be to hold Magic at Spurs or Arsenal on the Sunday (5 games) the day after the CC Final at Wembley with the intention of getting most of those going to the Magic Game to also take in the CC Final as well.

The issue you would have is getting one of the Soccer clubs to let you play 5 games on their surface at the start of their season.

We could always promote and advertise the final in the run up to the game


I know this is very innovative and possibly too much for a sport like ours to take on but, we could try ?

You could advertise it as much as you like, that is not the issue. The majority of people in the UK who would go to the final will know exactly where and when it is on. The problem for them, in my opinion, is costs for travelling to London with a partner or family on top of doing Magic/Summer Bash/Catalan/Toulouse/Wankpack trips, something they didn't have to do in the 1990's when the Wembley final was the big event for them as fans and regardless of who was playing they would be there with their mates on organised trips or as a large group. Those sorts of trips are getting few and far between now, blokes tends to put family first and some of them have even started using hair product.

By putting Magic on at the same time in the same City it would create a reason for many more people to visit and as both are RFL events they can offer combo tickets and packages like never before.

When a fan of a club has 2 or 3 decent trips they can do to watch their own club, including one in France in the sun, they are going to put the CC to the bottom of the pile if their club does not make the final.

Advertising the final in London, Barnsley, Aberdeen or Serbia will not bring in any new fans. In the same way I do not go to watch the World Squash Championships when they visit Hull most years. I see the adverts and then carry on thinking about Kelly Brooks bangers. I have no interest in trying new sporting events.

Sorry but, it's the promotion and advertising of the event that would enable it to sell out.
As mentioned in a different post, IF women's football and strictly come dancing can become universally popular, then, I'm damn sure that a RL cup final can be too.
First of all it needs a decent spot in the calendar and it then needs some clever promotion work, especially in London and of course through the RL pyramid - those that sell most tickets getting preference / discount on future events etc or money being put back into the community game.

As I say, there are events far, far less appealing then a Challenge Cup final that are better attended, it's all about getting the promotion right.

Since when did women's football get crowds that would fill Wembley?

And what has a tv show got to do with a final of a cup competition in a minority sport?

You're kidding yourself if you think anyone in London other than a couple of thousand people give a toss about rugby league. Trust me, I spend an awful lot of time there and speak to cabbies, people in pubs, even Broncos fans who can't get a mate to come. Nobody cares.

You think a bit of advertising on the tube will make people pay to go to Wembley to watch a sport they don't care about or want to understand? They can watch top flight football, international rugby union, see amazing west end shows, eat in world class resteraunts and you think they will suddenly decide to waste a day going to watch Rugby League because the RFL have put some posters up or took some adverts on Heart Radio?

As for people having a competition to sell tickets this is already happening. Every club is FORCED to buy so many tickets and many don't sell them all. Amateur clubs try and sell tickets for reward and cannot sell them.

Think about that. RUGBY LEAGUE clubs cannot sell their tickets to their own RUGBY LEAGUE supporting fans and members.

The game has a small number of fans spread across the North of England. The only way you will get Wembley full is to either give people value for money by making their trip to London a combination of events that are saving them cash elsewhere in the year or paying them to go.

Not my opinion, cold hard facts, people have stopped going due to financial reasons. If this was not the case you wouldn't be needing to advertise. You didn't need to advertise in 1985, it would have sold itself.

What will happen if the 2020 Challenge Cup involves Toronto and Catalans?

No one will turn up.

It can be moved to Loftus road.

Quote MonkeyLover="MonkeyLover"Since when did women's football get crowds that would fill Wembley? And what has a tv show got to do with a final of a cup competition in a minority sport? You're kidding yourself if you think anyone in London other than a couple of thousand people give a toss about rugby league. Trust me, I spend an awful lot of time there and speak to cabbies, people in pubs, even Broncos fans who can't get a mate to come. Nobody cares. You think a bit of advertising on the tube will make people pay to go to Wembley to watch a sport they don't care about or want to understand? They can watch top flight football, international rugby union, see amazing west end shows, eat in world class resteraunts and you think they will suddenly decide to waste a day going to watch Rugby League because the RFL have put some posters up or took some adverts on Heart Radio? As for people having a competition to sell tickets this is already happening. Every club is FORCED to buy so many tickets and many don't sell them all. Amateur clubs try and sell tickets for reward and cannot sell them. Think about that. RUGBY LEAGUE clubs cannot sell their tickets to their own RUGBY LEAGUE supporting fans and members. The game has a small number of fans spread across the North of England. The only way you will get Wembley full is to either give people value for money by making their trip to London a combination of events that are saving them cash elsewhere in the year or paying them to go. Not my opinion, cold hard facts, people have stopped going due to financial reasons. If this was not the case you wouldn't be needing to advertise. You didn't need to advertise in 1985, it would have sold itself.'" Wembley was sold out for a recent women's game https://www.theticketingbusiness.com/20 ... s-wembley/ I agree that most Londoners dont know what RL is, never mind when the Cup Final is taking place. Some clever promotion and get a few celebs on board and there you have an untapped market of 5000000 people. Absolutely agree with the value for money thing and we leave that to the brains at the RFL to come up with something. Could Wembley tickets be tied in with GF tickets or magic etc ? Anyone who has registered with "ourleague" should be having reminders dropping into their inbox every couple of weeks for all of the major RL events but, nothing ever happens. If you buy anything else just once on line, you receive mailshots for life but, if you buy tickets for RL events regularly, you hear nothing. Everything is on a build it and they will come, rather than being promoted properly, in fact, not promoted at all. As for not advertising, really ?? As I said, we get bombarded with offers of stuff from all over from tickets to gigs, sporting events (but not RL), etc, etc The one who bangs the drum loudest will get most response and it's extremely naïve to think that just because the cup has been played for 100 years that "everyone" knows when it's on. Do we engage with London tour companies, hotels, ticketing agents ??

Quote MonkeyLover="MonkeyLover"Since when did women's football get crowds that would fill Wembley? And what has a tv show got to do with a final of a cup competition in a minority sport? You're kidding yourself if you think anyone in London other than a couple of thousand people give a toss about rugby league. Trust me, I spend an awful lot of time there and speak to cabbies, people in pubs, even Broncos fans who can't get a mate to come. Nobody cares. You think a bit of advertising on the tube will make people pay to go to Wembley to watch a sport they don't care about or want to understand? They can watch top flight football, international rugby union, see amazing west end shows, eat in world class resteraunts and you think they will suddenly decide to waste a day going to watch Rugby League because the RFL have put some posters up or took some adverts on Heart Radio? As for people having a competition to sell tickets this is already happening. Every club is FORCED to buy so many tickets and many don't sell them all. Amateur clubs try and sell tickets for reward and cannot sell them. Think about that. RUGBY LEAGUE clubs cannot sell their tickets to their own RUGBY LEAGUE supporting fans and members. The game has a small number of fans spread across the North of England. The only way you will get Wembley full is to either give people value for money by making their trip to London a combination of events that are saving them cash elsewhere in the year or paying them to go. Not my opinion, cold hard facts, people have stopped going due to financial reasons. If this was not the case you wouldn't be needing to advertise. You didn't need to advertise in 1985, it would have sold itself.'" Wembley was sold out for a recent women's game https://www.theticketingbusiness.com/20 ... s-wembley/ I agree that most Londoners dont know what RL is, never mind when the Cup Final is taking place. Some clever promotion and get a few celebs on board and there you have an untapped market of 5000000 people. Absolutely agree with the value for money thing and we leave that to the brains at the RFL to come up with something. Could Wembley tickets be tied in with GF tickets or magic etc ? Anyone who has registered with "ourleague" should be having reminders dropping into their inbox every couple of weeks for all of the major RL events but, nothing ever happens. If you buy anything else just once on line, you receive mailshots for life but, if you buy tickets for RL events regularly, you hear nothing. Everything is on a build it and they will come, rather than being promoted properly, in fact, not promoted at all. As for not advertising, really ?? As I said, we get bombarded with offers of stuff from all over from tickets to gigs, sporting events (but not RL), etc, etc The one who bangs the drum loudest will get most response and it's extremely naïve to think that just because the cup has been played for 100 years that "everyone" knows when it's on. Do we engage with London tour companies, hotels, ticketing agents ??

The Challenge Cup isn't a problem that can be solved by advertising.

There's fundamentally flawed thinking in RL circles that "the product is great, we just need to shout about it". The reality is that, when you look at the CC Final in the context of the host of other sporting and leisure events that people can spend their money on, the product is not that great - at least not to the people who don't already buy it. I stand by what I said further up the thread - the CC Final (and in many cases, the game itself), looks tired, dated and unfashionable. You can't advertise your way out of that problem.

The game cannot solve this issue without acknowledging that the product on offer needs to change to meet the expectations of a much wider audience. The RFL and clubs have got used to this 'comfort' zone of tapping the same well over and over again. They've become petrified of challenging, changing and daring to do something different for fear of upsetting a core base that is nowhere near big enough to sustain the sport's growth.

I know people scoff at the comparisons with other sports but, particuarly if the game is going to attract new generations of supporters, it IS competing with those other sports. The next generation of supporters ARE spending far more than the RFL is asking for a ticket to get into London events run by the four big US sports. They're paying to get into womens football matches, joining waiting lists for Premier League games, entering ticket ballots for England cricket tests, filling T20 games - the list goes on. They're doing that not because they're necessarily sports fans, but because those events are offering something that they want.

I don't believe you can restore the CC to former glories, but that doesn't mean you can't lift it to new glories. But it requires fundamental change in the whole event experience.