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| Quote: William Eve "What I'm saying is that Aviva Premership attendances are way higher than Super League attendances.
Have you got that?
The self-flagellating dubairl clearly hasn't.'"
You wonder why people have issue with the points you make when you present them to a rugby league forum like that?
And I seriously don't care if extreme kite flying has higher attendances in India than rugby league does in England.
There is a 1000 different variances which stop it being a direct comparison. Proximity to the premier sport in this country is only one of them (I'd be very interested to see how Leicester tigers attendances and Leicester City fc attendances track together over time mind.)
The only true statistics in your list would be Leeds rhinos vs Leeds tykes (but I don't believe tykes are in the top division at the moment) and harlequins ru vs harlequins rl (where I'm sure ru "wins dramatically" but if quins ru had been dragged around the city of London for the last 30 years it might be a different story) there are arguments I suppose that Salford vs sale is fair but then you start having to quantify "identity" of a club so probably not.
Stats can be made to show literally anything. That's why to the majority they mean nothing (my stats professor used to say that) - in sheer number your data suggests more people physically attended an area whereby professional sport rugby union is occurring. The rest is conjecture.
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| Quote: Magic Superbeetle "You wonder why people have issue with the points you make when you present them to a rugby league forum like that?'"
Ah.,.....so his response to sweeping incorrect statements using facts isn't to your liking then? If the more insecure posters amongst us weren't so hell bent on making themselves look stupid, then Billy would be out of a job. I for one enjoy his statistical posts.
He doesn't offer contradictions......unlike your good self.
Quote: Magic Superbeetle "And I seriously don't care if extreme kite flying has higher attendances in India than rugby league does in England.'"
Quote: Magic Superbeetle " (I'd be very interested to see how Leicester tigers attendances and Leicester City fc attendances track together over time mind.)'"
Which is it? Either you care or you don't?
Then....and this is pretty clever, you compare the 2 Leeds clubs but almost childishly dismiss the Harlequins clubs and the 2 sharing the stadium near Manchester because they most assuredly don't suit your point of view.
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| Quote: gutterfax "Ah.,.....so his response to sweeping incorrect statements using facts isn't to your liking then? If the more insecure posters amongst us weren't so hell bent on making themselves look stupid, then Billy would be out of a job. I for one enjoy his statistical posts.
He doesn't offer contradictions......unlike your good self.
Which is it? Either you care or you don't?
Then....and this is pretty clever, you compare the 2 Leeds clubs but almost childishly dismiss the Harlequins clubs and the 2 sharing the stadium near Manchester because they most assuredly don't suit your point of view.
No he's using facts that make assumptions. If your going to bring stats into it, at least factor in some kind of influence over figures, otherwise you literally have to include every attendance at every sport in the world, as only then can the conditions be quantifiably fair.
Hence I don't care about union vs league attendance debates.
I do find stats interesting, and when compared properly do offer insight. As you noticed, the ones it said can be used were those who shared grounds (as one can assume the same factors influence both sets of fans) - I wasn't dismissive of harlequins. I said ru clearly and brutally won. I offered some explanation as to why that was and moved on? The reason I wasn't fond on comparing sale is they supposedly (aka I read on the internet) are having trouble with fans saying moving to Salford changes the identity of the club or some other rubbish. So in that instance the very location of the stadium can be considered a factor to be factored in.
If you want me to do some quant analysis for you, by all means get in touch with my company and I'll make em show anything you want, but I'm not doing it on here now, it's what I'm paid to do. But, I will say a couple of things
A) any unciphoned data means nothing to everyone. If your in marketing you should know that.
B) as I finished my last post. The numbers posted prove more people occur in an area where professional rugby union is occurring. The rest is conjecture. I suppose it depends if your arguing "league vs union whose doing better getting quantity through the door?" Or "league vs union whose doing better?" - though the answer technically neither, American football (which is also a spin off of rugby) is kicking both behinds.
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| NFL model the way to go?
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| Quote: Worzel "NFL model the way to go?'"
What get a nine billion dollar a year media deal and move RL to a country with 300million people?
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| Oh great, another RL v RU attendance thread. The year's not even 3 weeks old and we already have about 400 of them.
Quote: William Eve "Home attendance averages last completed season (SL 2013 & Aviva Premiership 2012-13)
1. Leicester Tigers - 256,687/11
2. Harlequins - 219,631/11
3. Saracens - 200,871/11
4. Leeds Rhinos - 197,556/13
5. Wigan - 189,084/13
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I was bored and could only be d doing it for the one club but after taking out the "event" matches for Saracens their average drops to just over 9.5k. That's quite a drop.
Do those Leeds & Wigan att include magic weekend figures (not divided by 8 or whatever agenda we're working to this week) or don't we count event matches at all?
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| I must be bored.
Remove the Harlequins "event" game at Twickenham and their average drops to well under 14k. Another huge drop which leaves 2 of the top 3 supported rugby clubs in England coming from SL.
You're welcome.
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| Quote: loiner81 "I must be bored.
Remove the Harlequins "event" game at Twickenham and their average drops to well under 14k. Another huge drop which leaves 2 of the top 3 supported rugby clubs in England coming from SL.
You're welcome.'"
Remove certain games to suit an agenda.....way to go bored boy!!!!
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| Stats show Leicester as the best supported English rugby club followed by Leeds and Wigan so two of the top three best supported rugby clubs are league
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| Quote: Nostradamus's lad "Stats show Leicester as the best supported English rugby club followed by Leeds and Wigan so two of the top three best supported rugby clubs are league'"
Manipulated stat do, but actual attendances speak a different language. Event games are the way to go.....ask the NRL or wen the organisers of RLWC 2013.
The fact that Saracens and quins can attract 80k to regular season games should be proof enough of the appetite and Te benefits of these EVENTS.
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| Quote: gutterfax "Manipulated stat do, but actual attendances speak a different language. Event games are the way to go.....ask the NRL or wen the organisers of RLWC 2013.
The fact that Saracens and quins can attract 80k to regular season games should be proof enough of the appetite and Te benefits of these EVENTS.'"
Event games eh, who'd have thunk it?
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| Wine drinker. A wino is a wine drinker. One you would associate with the effluent classes. Barolo to Lambrini, Champagne to QC – it's all vino.
‘Middle England’ is like a Chateauneuf du Pape. Values itself highly despite being a mishmash of mediocrity with little substance.
Just call me Jilly.
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| Back to the opening question. Not a lot by the looks of it. Ibi Ali was one of the soldiers who has just completed 'walking with the wounded' trip to Antarctica with Prince Harry. He was a member of the Staffordshire Uni RL team. Good man and ticks all the boxes the RL should be looking to use pr wise
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| Quote: gutterfax "Remove certain games to suit an agenda.....way to go bored boy!!!!'"
Really? from you? FFS
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