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| Re. TV figures in the NRL, 4 of the biggest TV audiences are for the Wests Tigers, Dragons, Eels + Broncos, and they were rubbish last yr, with the WC effect, S B Williams back, Hayne bn given a boost by the WC again, W Hopoate back, I'd be amazed if TV figures don't go up this yr. Also the affect of the Nines too, think that'll help.
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| Quote shinymcshine="shinymcshine"Hence perhaps a modal average would be a more appropriate method of demonstrating 'regular' attendance.'"
that's how many tickets they sell in a season......decrying "event games" further underlines the insecurity of some RL fans who choose to ignore the event games put on in the NRL (Anzac day/OTR games/double headers etc..)
There is nothing to stop SL clubs taking games to bigger stadiums.........I'd be asking why they don't bother rather than trying to devalue the attendances of Union.
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| Oh FFS bore off .
Someone queried why attendances seemed higher than expected, I just provided a reasonable explanation.
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| Quote shinymcshine="shinymcshine"Given the 18k figure for Saracens I think its inclusive of their Wembley promotional games, which may be true of Harlequins too (who (IIRC) play a couple of promotional games at Twickenham). Hence they're respective averages are 'boosted' by the occasional 50k+ attendance.
Hence perhaps a modal average would be a more appropriate method of demonstrating 'regular' attendance.'"
Hang on, you're not saying that they've used the total attendance at a double header as the attendance for both games do you?
If that's the case then I make Leeds' average attendance for SL regular rounds as 16,343.
The 15,197 figure is not including the Magic game.
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| Quote shinymcshine="shinymcshine"Oh FFS bore off .
Someone queried why attendances seemed higher than expected, I just provided a reasonable explanation.'"
No you didn't. You suggested that comparing "regular" attendances and excluding event games would be better. It wouldn't, unless you had an anti-union axe to grind....remember?
Quote shinymcshine="shinymcshine"Hence perhaps a modal average would be a more appropriate method of demonstrating 'regular' attendance.'"
The NRL sides play "event" games each year.....the NZ Warriors average at Mt Smart last year was 13,152....their actual average for the season was 16,197......they actually got 1 crowd at Mount smart higher than their season average?????
The Eels 10,910 at para stadium or 12,456 for the season.
Double headers seem to be the norm in most sports now.....apparently, RLWC hit it's 500k attendance figure.....
[urlhttp://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2013/dec/01/rugby-league-world-cup[/url
Quote shinymcshineThe pre-tournament target was 500,000, and although the end figure for sales was 458,463, World Cup organisers claim that the target was always taking into account individual games for the double-headers at Cardiff and Wembley'"
I repeat, I'd be asking why Wigan v Saints don't play at Anfield or Leeds v Bradford at Elland Road, rather than trying to score points against a game that has an administration light years ahead of league!
BTW, Quins RU Aviva (That's the premiership sponsor by the way) averages 13,721 at the stoop excluding the event games.....92% capacity which would explain the thinking behind taking games OTR.
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| I have no idea whether they double counted attendances, I have a friend who is a Saracens supporter and she said the usual is around 6-8k (at Watford last year) and their new ground has a 10k capacity.
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| Quote gutterfax="gutterfax"the Professional RUGBY clubs in either code and their last full seasons averages:
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The ARL/NRL have targeted bigger crowds as being a key part of making their revenue 50/50 split with TV and other revenue...it is currently about 25% other and 75% TV.
The other RUGBY teams here have MASSIVE International presence and revenues to fall back on and Smith understands that a reliance on TV cash is a dangerous way to run a business.'"
I know you can't quite help yourself given your troll persona but I can see no relevance in quoting the averages from one other sport. Why not add football averages to the list? RL needs to work on its own crowds, what others achieve is irrelevant except where we can learn from them and there are bigger, better and much more successful sports than RU from which RL can learn.
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| Quote Him="Him"Hang on, you're not saying that they've used the total attendance at a double header as the attendance for both games do you?
If that's the case then I make Leeds' average attendance for SL regular rounds as 16,343.
The 15,197 figure is not including the Magic game.'"
Fair enough. I know that the NRL count both attendances separately at the Lang double headers and I am all for boosting London's 2013 average by 30,793 to 59,568 with an average of 4,255 up from 2,213
The averages I posted in the list are for "home" games and in the case of Wasps and Saracens include the Double header season openers as their "home" games from round 1. They also include Wembley stadiums for Saracens stand alone game and Harlequins Boxing day trip across the road which attracted 82,000 as a stand alone game.
The RLWC 2013 as I posted above have happily claimed that 45,000 watched Wales v Italy and 67,000 watched Australia v Fiji.....seems Nigel's bumper book of spin had a section on the IRB/RFU 
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| Gutterfax, could you kindly rearrange your bedroom furniture. You've been getting out of the wrong side of your bed for months. Or just give it a rest.
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| Quote Les Dyl's red boots="Les Dyl's red boots"Gutterfax, could you kindly rearrange your bedroom furniture. You've been getting out of the wrong side of your bed for months. Or just give it a rest.'"
Why?
I posted a list of 80+ Professional Rugby Clubs attendances for their last full seasons and immediately people question the Union ones in the UK  Rather than wonder why RL clubs don't host "event" games themselves.
Saracens and Wasps averages drop by 3k each if you halve the double header crowds counted as 60k each.....dropping Saracens to below Leeds but still above Wigan and Wasps down the list, but still ahead of 8 of the current SL teams.
Saracens get 45k at Wembley for their annual "event" game which boosts their average...Harlequins host a team at the big house across the road on boxing day....these sorts of initiatives, along with the likes of the NZ Warriors playing at Eden park or Wellington are to be applauded.....but your bitter and twisted RL fans prefers to snipe.
Wigan v Saints at Anfield would attract a 45k full house IMHO.....but only because I believe the Wigan/St's marketing teams are capable....it could possibly add 2k to the Wigan seasons average and maybe convince a few new fans to visit the DW....a brilliant initiative just so long as Union don't do it 
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| Quote gutterfax="gutterfax"Fair enough. I know that the NRL count both attendances separately at the Lang double headers and I am all for boosting London's 2013 average by 30,793 to 59,568 with an average of 4,255 up from 2,213
The averages I posted in the list are for "home" games and in the case of Wasps and Saracens include the Double header season openers as their "home" games from round 1. They also include Wembley stadiums for Saracens stand alone game and Harlequins Boxing day trip across the road which attracted 82,000 as a stand alone game.
The RLWC 2013 as I posted above have happily claimed that 45,000 watched Wales v Italy and 67,000 watched Australia v Fiji.....seems Nigel's bumper book of spin had a section on the IRB/RFU
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If your list has Union clubs averages that include their "event games" then the League ones should too. Leeds Magic game was a home game yet you didn't include it in their average.
London's average wouldn't be boosted as it wasn't a home game for them.
It was for Bradford, Leeds, Salford, Catalans, Castleford, Hull FC and Saints.
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| Quote Him="Him"If your list has Union clubs averages that include their "event games" then the League ones should too. Leeds Magic game was a home game yet you didn't include it in their average.
London's average wouldn't be boosted as it wasn't a home game for them.
It was for Bradford, Leeds, Salford, Catalans, Castleford, Hull FC and Saints.'"
1 Double header and as I said, remove the double Header and Sarries drop below Leeds and Wasps drop down but still above 8 of the 14 SL clubs.
....."event" games are stand alone games and perfectly acceptable to be counted on the averages.
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