You realise there are two balls in that diagram? One red, one black. I fail to see a third way a ball can be put down this side of the corner flag with the lowest point on the other side of the flag!

I didn't realise the red bit was depicting another ball. If I'm being pedantic, it's still not how the ball was grounded as the two end points of the ball were facing the try-line/back of the in-goal area!

Still, the diagram has been put together heavily weighted in favour of FA's stance. I can go away and produce my own with the ball on, or even over the line! That would prove nothing.

To me that still looks like the ball was simultaneously grounded on the touch in goal line and the in goal area and so it should have been chalked off. However I guess Childs ruled out the following one to make up for this as Charnley touched the ball down with enough control when he kicked the ball through.

EDIT: That also looks like Charnley lost the ball.

It was a try, deal with it.

No!

I yield to your superior logic and reason good sir!

Thank you very much

For the avoidance of doubt, Stuart Cummings said it doesn't matter if the ball touches the corner flag, it is not classed as being in touch anymore. He had to explain it to Wiggy twice

It was pretty embarrassing to have the commentators getting the rules wrong even after they are told the rules. Painful.

As for whether it was a try, I was of the opinion that the front on view lacked the relevant frame. It had just before contact with the ground. It had after the first contact. What it did show however is that Charnley did not lose the ball - so you can cut that complaint.

As to the side on angle (picture posted), the post imo is obscuring whether contact was made simultaneously (or as close as we can possibly discern with our cameras); or whether first contact was made within the scoring zone before touching the sideline (the pictures posted show how this is a possibility if you're too simple to understand how curves and straight lines come into contact). From the evidence I don't see how anyone can claim that it's definitive either way, it was a tough decision.

Summed up nicely.

I said at the game it had hit the line so I was surprised when it was given, but from that still it's hard to call either way. Benefit of doubt probably comes into play...

I would prefer it if you behaved like an adult, and read and considered the point made, which is considered and valid. But it is of course up to you, though "yah, boo" is never very convincing.


Neither my opinion nor the laws of physics vary by team.

I didn't think it hit the post, but the argument seemed to me to rage around whether or not it was on the touch-in-goal line.