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| Quote: Damo-Leeds "
Rugby league is a dieing sport because attendances are declining and players are slowly but surely migrating to the other code.'"
Rubbish.
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| Gutterfax,
Blah blah blah something about union blah blah
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| Add the word "again" to the thread title and you are getting some way to understanding the history of the game in NZ...
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| Quote: Old Darlin "That Super 14 average includes South Africa and New Zealand teams.
The aggregate in rugby league smashes union
How convenient it is that South African and New Zealander teams don’t count in your Pro-League argument. But then you go to the weakest of super 14 nations in Australia and say that there down.
How convenient - very convenient indeed.
Where’s the evidence to suggest that rugby league is doing better than rugby union or is it just the word of a misinformed RLFANS poster that we’re suppose to rely on as FACT?
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| Rugby union is the fourth of the football codes in Australia. That is an acknowledged fact in this country.
Rugby league towers above it.
Enough evidence, Sherlock?
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| Quote: Old Darlin "Rugby union is the fourth of the football codes in Australia. That is an acknowledged fact in this country.'"
This would count if Australia was the only country in the world. Other than Australia, Union owns League in every other corner of the globe unless you want to start getting obscure by pointing me towards PNG and other places where league beats Union. The other big rugby playing nations of the world in England, France, South Africa and New Zealand - Union is more popular than league.
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| Quote: Damo-Leeds "This would count if Australia was the only country in the world. Other than Australia, Union owns League in every other corner of the globe unless you want to start getting obscure by pointing me towards PNG and other places where league beats Union. The other big rugby playing nations of the world in England, France, South Africa and New Zealand - Union is more popular than league.'"
I don't have the time or desire to re-argue most of the rubbish in your OP (almost all of which I have dealt with in other threads previously).
This comment "Rugby Union’s Super 14 attracts more fans than rugby leagues NRL down under..." is flat out wrong as but one example early in your "piece".
Your argument in the OP is incoherent and rambling.
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| Quote: Old Darlin "I don't have the time or desire to re-argue most of the rubbish in your OP (almost all of which I have dealt with in other threads previously).'"
I think you’ll find that your wrong and this ‘time and desire’ that you claim to not have is just a smoke screen to stop you from fooling yourself any further.
At the end of the day the Super 14 is based in three nations and its only Australia where it performs badly. Your failure to acknowledge the bigger picture is there for everyone to see.
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| Quote: The Chair Maker "This already happens to a lesser extent, as Chrish Ashton showed at the weekend.
However the earnings potential in the NRL in the near future far exceeds that of top line union players in the UK. Who while better paid than RL players are only marginally better paid.
Its been mentioned earlier in the thread that with endorsements, that star NRL players in 2 years time may be earning $1.5million to $2million a season. Thats over a million pounds a year. No British union club can match that salary level. Infact that is getting into premier league soccer territory.
One also has to take into account the fact that union is a completely different sport.
Look at how RL back row forwards Andy Farrell and Sonny Bill Williams are classed as inside centres in Union. Ashton who was a RL fullback plays wing in Union.
Hence a player moving to union is taking a gamble on their success.
This would not be the same with a top class UK RL player moving down under to play RL.'"
spot on.
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| Quote: Damo-Leeds "I think you’ll find that your wrong and this ‘time and desire’ that you claim to not have is just a smoke screen to stop you from fooling yourself any further.
At the end of the day the Super 14 is based in three nations and its only Australia where it performs badly. Your failure to acknowledge the bigger picture is there for everyone to see.'"
australia is the biggest market of the 3. its like saying RL does really well in the north of england but only fails in london
think about this for a second :
the next nrl contract will go close to DOUBLE the S15 (incuding all test matches)
each week close to 5 million cumulative viewers watch the nrl. the same figure for S14 in australia is around 500,000.
the S15 is a failed competition.
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| Quote: Damo-Leeds "This would count if Australia was the only country in the world. Other than Australia, Union owns League in every other corner of the globe unless you want to start getting obscure by pointing me towards PNG and other places where league beats Union. The other big rugby playing nations of the world in England, France, South Africa and New Zealand - Union is more popular than league.'"
RU is built on minor positions in every single nations its played bar nz.
its a tiny sport worldwide.
at least in australia where its big, it has a fair population to work with.
and its still growing
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| Quote: Damo-Leeds "Any Kiwi player whose swapped his native country for Australia so he could play in the SOO.
Aussie Rules Football might have something to say about that. Is that where Israel Folau went?
Lets not get into which is the best entertainment at that side of the world because attendances prove it isn’t the NRL.
I await the day when the NRL gets a South African team. It isn’t the case that I need to know whats going on - it’s the case that your denying what’s going on outside of rugby league. Coming from your mouth, rugby league is a Walter Mitty type delusion to suit your own argument.'"
so you dont know any kiwis players whove jumped ship for origin
and an nrl team in south africa over PNG, wellington, ipswich, central queensland, perth, adelaide?
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| damo you are from leeds
you still keep calling them the tykes when theyve changed their name to carnegie
this shows how much you know about union in your own city, let alone anywhere else.
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| it will all come down to market forces.
the sport with the most money will get the most players to it
where the elite players go so will many of the fans
if our next TV contract is around 800 million or above, the S15 will be facing a drain of players into RL from then on
NRL clubs will be cashed up and hungry for talent.
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| Quote: The Chair Maker "This already happens to a lesser extent, as Chrish Ashton showed at the weekend.
However the earnings potential in the NRL in the near future far exceeds that of top line union players in the UK. Who while better paid than RL players are only marginally better paid.
Its been mentioned earlier in the thread that with endorsements, that star NRL players in 2 years time may be earning $1.5million to $2million a season. Thats over a million pounds a year. No British union club can match that salary level. Infact that is getting into premier league soccer territory.
One also has to take into account the fact that union is a completely different sport.
Look at how RL back row forwards Andy Farrell and Sonny Bill Williams are classed as inside centres in Union. Ashton who was a RL fullback plays wing in Union.
Hence a player moving to union is taking a gamble on their success.
This would not be the same with a top class UK RL player moving down under to play RL.'"
An excellent post CM and if the NRL salary cap did rise significantly it would be good for the game of RL.
The only problem with this though is that the best talent would leave the British game and it would effect the quality of the Superleague.
But in saying that if it means the top talent of RL going to Australia instead of union them I am all for it.
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