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| Quote Maximus Decimus="Maximus Decimus"Where is your gift that makes you say that the crowd looked nothing like the one from last night?'" Because I watched both games, and the ground was substantially more full for the game with the attendance of 3,000 than it was for the one with the attendance of 1,500.
Quote Maximus DecimusHas it ever occurred to you that maybe people are commenting on it because it looked nothing like 3,055? I'd compare it to a Salford game (who do get criticised) when they have 3,000 at a game they still have a stand that is pretty full that faces the cameras. There was nowhere at the stadium that had a concentration of fans.'" Apart from the stand underneath the cameras, which is where the vast majority of home supporters sit. The fact that you are trying to use Wrexham FC fans to back you up pretty much nullifies your argument. Obviously it is possible to estimate a crowd from TV images. However, to then continue to assert that the announced crowd is wrong with no basis other than that estimate is just stupidity.
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| Quote crusading leyther="crusading leyther"At least 2500 hardcore Crusaders fans - the most enthusiastic, loyal fans any team could wish for and on the back of a very poor season. '"
So loyal that about 1000 of this figure could be bothered to turn out last weekend when we visited? I have never been to a ground with so few home fans in it since we last visited Rochdale back in 2006.
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| Quote SirStan="SirStan"So loyal that about 1000 of this figure could be bothered to turn out last weekend when we visited? I have never been to a ground with so few home fans in it since we last visited Rochdale back in 2006.'"
You have never visited the Stoop have you
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| Quote PHIPPS="PHIPPS"Hey don't worry Graeme.
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Bigger gobes than you have failed to come up with proof so I'm not surprised.
Unless you have that proof then jog on.
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| Quote Maximus Decimus="Maximus Decimus" There is motive as to why they would do it as an announcement of a crowd around 1500 would be embarrassing.'"
There is also motive for not doing it since if they announce a higher official attendance HMRC will start getting interested as to why their tax take is lower than it should be.
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"You are wrong.'"
Having done a bit of research, your assertion is indeed correct. Must have been my memory playing tricks.
The actual story, however, was much more unsavoury than any backhanded financial bail-out from the RFL.
[urlhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2005/mar/05/rugbyleague.superleaguex[/url
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| Quote Jim Bergerac="Jim Bergerac"Having done a bit of research, your assertion is indeed correct. Must have been my memory playing tricks.
The actual story, however, was much more unsavoury than any backhanded financial bail-out from the RFL.
[urlhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2005/mar/05/rugbyleague.superleaguex[/url'"
Yes, like any club which goes into administration they didnt pay back certain debts, which is kind of the reason for going into administration.
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"Yes, like any club which goes into administration they didnt pay back certain debts, which is kind of the reason for going into administration.'"
How many other RL clubs have made the calculated and, quite frankly, despicable decision to liquidate themselves and leave businesses £3million out of pocket?
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| Quote Him="Him"There is also motive for not doing it since if they announce a higher official attendance HMRC will start getting interested as to why their tax take is lower than it should be.'"
Do they not do this in Australia as well? After all there is definite proof that the Melbourne Storm used to fudge the figures.
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"It is ridiculous to pretend the difference between 1500 and 3k is the same as the difference between 7.5k and 15k. It is much easier to tell the difference between 7.5k and 15k than it is 1.5k and 3k because the numbers are bigger. Similarly it is easier to tell the difference between 1m and 2m than it is the difference between 1000 and 2000.
What is ridiculous here is that your guess itself has a margin of error of 1k, pretty much the difference between 2 and 3k. You admit you cannot in an attendance of 7k be confident in a guess to a margin of error of 1k, but are confident in stating that despite seeing nothing but a camera angle, that an attendance of 3k is wrong because it is 1k away from what you think.
It looked like nothing. If anyone from watching the game on tv could ever have made any kind of accurate guess then they do have a gift. The camera never showed enough information. People are guessing, they are guessing in a way which fits their bias and goes against the actual evidence we have. For that, they are idiots.'"
Even for you this is hypocritical.
First of all you make out that it is easier to tell the difference between bigger number than smaller numbers (debatable anyway) and then you try to make out like my margin of error which was in your words 1000 out in a crowd of 8500 (actually only 500 from my top estimate anyway) is the same as being 1000 out in a crowd of 3000. In reality being 1000 out in a crowd of 8500 is a 12% error when 1000 out in a crowd of 3000 is a 33% error.
The camera showed every single angle at different times. I actually presumed that the popular side was below the camera but then the camera showed what was on the other side. You would usually argue black was white but are you really suggesting that Sky don't show the whole crowd at different times?
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| Quote Maximus Decimus="Maximus Decimus"Do they not do this in Australia as well? After all there is definite proof that the Melbourne Storm used to fudge the figures.'"
True, but I have no idea what Australia's tax laws are but even if they're the same as here then Melbourne, with their rich owners, were either prepared to pay the extra tax or take the risk of it not being spotted.
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| Quote Jim Bergerac="Jim Bergerac"If I'm wrong, then apologies.'"
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