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| Quote: Uncle Rico "I'll apologise for giving you some credit that you didn't perhaps deserve then if that is the case and for those outside the top four last year please try and win more games next season as it might just make the whole season more interesting'" If you are going to patronise, make sure you understand the point first. Otherwise you will end up looking stupid. Because had you understood, you would be aware that what you are asking for can only happen in a very rare set of circumstances. Which is the point that was made. Which you missed. Which was then explained to you. Which you missed again.
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| Quote: Nat (Rugby_Aholic) "Of course a Super League chairman said that, he doesn't want to loose access to his precious old boys club that is SL.
Several years of franchising resulting in more and more "dead rubbers" year after year. How many season did Wakefield, Hull KR etc have nothing to play for after August ?'" I don't believe that 'having something to play for' through some convoluted, manufactured, 'jeopardy' helps anyone. It is a lazy and failing substitute for actually doing the hard work necessary to build the game.
Quote: Nat (Rugby_Aholic) "Are you really so arrogant that you think teams shouldn't have to justify their place in the elite league?'" I think everyone should justify their place in the elite league, in a wide range of areas.
Relying on the bounce of a ball to decide which clubs make SL has left us with the team which is promoted not bothering to run their own academy, the team which was relegated not bothering to run their own academy, the team which survived the million pound game not bothering to run their own academy. And of the 4 clubs from the lower league making the middle 8s last year, one is in administration right now, the other has been surviving on handouts and begging bowls all year, and the other is in so much financial strife it has needed to ask its players to all take a pay cut.
It also left us with 2 of our 3 pro/semipro leagues as absolute walkovers which saw the teams who finished first in league 1 and the championship lose a grand total of 1 game between them in the regular season.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "If you are going to patronise, make sure you understand the point first. Otherwise you will end up looking stupid. Because had you understood, you would be aware that what you are asking for can only happen in a very rare set of circumstances. Which is the point that was made. Which you missed. Which was then explained to you. Which you missed again.'"
What rare set of circumstances ?
You don't half talk some complete bolloxs , you do realise everybody just thinks you're a muppet
Declaring for every winner there is a loser like its some insightful statement nobody had realised beforehand
Try googling ' competitive unfairness ' ? Another Smokey bull5hit invention
Then again at least you give us all a laugh
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| Quote: GUBRATS "What rare set of circumstances ?
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a competitive 8's. If you weren't (pretending to be) stupid, you would know that.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "a competitive 8's. If you weren't (pretending to be) stupid, you would know that.'"
No a competitive 8 s is the aim , not the rare set of circumstances , all that is is the clubs down to 8 th after 23 games to be closer , which is down to the clubs players and coaches
Anyway you've entertained enough today I'll leave it there
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| Quote: GUBRATS "No a competitive 8 s is the aim , not the rare set of circumstances , all that is is the clubs down to 8 th after 23 games to be closer , which is down to the clubs players and coaches
Anyway you've entertained enough today I'll leave it there'"
No, it isn't down to the clubs, players, or coaches. Its down to maths. Only a rare set of circumstances can produce a competitive 8s. Even if every team is the best in the world. Even if you imported this system to the NRL. Even if every team was exactly evenly matched and results were decided randomly. There are only so many points to distribute and only a few set of results can distribute them evenly.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "a competitive 8's. If you weren't (pretending to be) stupid, you would know that.'"
Everyone that appears to have a view contrary to yours is stupid or pretending to be or have I missed something again
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "No, it isn't down to the clubs, players, or coaches. Its down to maths. Only a rare set of circumstances can produce a competitive 8s. Even if every team is the best in the world. Even if you imported this system to the NRL. Even if every team was exactly evenly matched and results were decided randomly. There are only so many points to distribute and only a few set of results can distribute them evenly.'"
This rare set of circumstances and just so I don't miss what you are trying to say and look stupid, are you saying that the only way that the system can be deemed to be a success in your eyes is for every team to be in with a shout on day of the final round so that there are no dead rubbers?
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| Quote: Uncle Rico "This rare set of circumstances and just so I don't miss what you are trying to say and look stupid, are you saying that the only way that the system can be deemed to be a success in your eyes is for every team to be in with a shout on day of the final round so that there are no dead rubbers?'" If a system was put in place with the expressed aim of minimising dead rubbers, only to fail to fail to do that then yes. Like this one, it would be a failure.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "If a system was put in place with the expressed aim of minimising dead rubbers, only to fail to fail to do that then yes. Like this one, it would be a failure.'"
This system is the worse one I have ever known in rugby league all the time I have been watching it and that's 55+years 1 up and 1 down is the answer not this pile of crap
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| Quote: cravenpark1 "This system is the worse one I have ever known in rugby league all the time I have been watching it and that's 55+years 1 up and 1 down is the answer not this pile of crap
One up and one down is definitely NOT the answer.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "If a system was put in place with the expressed aim of minimising dead rubbers, only to fail to fail to do that then yes. Like this one, it would be a failure.'"
I must be stupid because I don't follow what you are saying, can you clarify why this system in place for two seasons so limited data is a failure, is it to be judged in your eyes on minimising or eradicating dead rubbers (my earlier question)?
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| Quote: Uncle Rico "I must be stupid'"
It seems so.
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| Quote: Willzay "One up and one down is definitely NOT the answer.'"
It's a strange one.
I watched the original million pound game back again last week (Wakey/ Cas) and during the commentary and after the match, Stevo and his pals in the commentary box were saying just how dramatic it had been to come down to the all or nothing decider but, that it wouldn't be right to have that sort of game on a regular basis and yey, 9 years later, it becomes a deliberately staged event.
Mind you, at the time, there was automatic relegation, albeit Cas were relegated from 2nd bottom that year (due to Catalan being exempt from the drop).
There is a strong possibility that Toulouse and possibly Toronto wil be fighting it out in the Middle 8's over the next few years and if so, will the current system still be the best way of deciding who should be in the top flight and should there be any type of exemption for these 2 expansion clubs.
Now would be a good time for those in charge to think about what could/should happen.
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| Quote: Willzay "One up and one down is definitely NOT the answer.'"
The bloody system that they have now is not the answer and if you think 1 up and 1 down is not name what you think is
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