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Quote: Milly "Leeds got the scrum because they were the defending side at the time! Hodgson was carrying the ball in so Wire were the attacking side. He lost the ball in the tackle (first knock on) and Leuluai then flicked it away (second knock on) which Delaney picked up from an off side position. It wasn't a try becaue Delaney was off side and Leeds got the feed because Wire knocked on first.'"


Of course! I was confused as the defenders scored and were close to the line! It all makes sense now.

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I'm really hoping Armstrong left a death bed note telling the world it was all a cold war scam and they never got further than Universal studios!

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Quote: Mild mannered Janitor "The briers "knock on" incident raises a question about those technical offences. I was under the impression that changing the direction of the flight of the ball in anything other than it's current direction or backwards from that direction was a knock on.

Now, if the incident which is being over analysed to the nth degree was not a knock on, then why do referees penalise the tackled ball carrier when they lose control of the ball and recover it whilst facing their own goal line.'"


Because if they are facing their own goal line and they ' drag ' the ball along the ground they are moving the ball ' forwards ' , therefore knocking on, technically a drop goal is a knock on, remember the Danny McGuire incident a ouple of years back, he had his arm pulled back, dropped the ball as a result and attempted to kick it forwards, but the ball hit the ground before he made contact , some idiots on here were suggesting he was attempting to drop kick the ball forwards d040.gif

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The reason why there is no doubt about the Hodgson, Lieulueai icon_wink.gif incident is that Hodgson made an attempt to re gather the ball before it hit the ground, the Leeds player reacted to that and did move the ball forwards deliberatly

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Quote: cravenpark1 "the way i so it and i was their if the try was not a try why was the ball given to Leeds and not to warrie it still does not make sense to me i will have to think about, it but saying that warrie would still have won It's really not that difficult to work out. It's been explained pretty WH on the post before yours.

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Quote: JB Down Under "I'm really hoping Armstrong left a death bed note telling the world it was all a cold war scam and they never got further than Universal studios!'"


they will probably take the moonwalk honour away from him too just like they stripped him of the Tour de France victories ?

victimisation IMO

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Quote: Starbug "Because if they are facing their own goal line and they ' drag ' the ball along the ground they are moving the ball ' forwards ' , therefore knocking on, technically a drop goal is a knock on, remember the Danny McGuire incident a ouple of years back, he had his arm pulled back, dropped the ball as a result and attempted to kick it forwards, but the ball hit the ground before he made contact , some idiots on here were suggesting he was attempting to drop kick the ball forwards
Dragging the ball, whilst under control?

Technically, sliding over the try line in wet conditions...........

I think we are all getting carried away with this. This issue is that 999 times out of a thousand a knock on would have been called and no one would have questioned it. That the officials choose a showpiece event to call play on gives the perception of incompetence.

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Quote: Mild mannered Janitor "Dragging the ball, whilst under control?

Technically, sliding over the try line in wet conditions...........

I think we are all getting carried away with this. This issue is that 999 times out of a thousand a knock on would have been called and no one would have questioned it. That the officials choose a showpiece event to call play on gives the perception of incompetence.'"


Technically sliding over the line is still part of the movement of carrying the ball, whereas grabbing at a ball on the ground isnt , irrelivant in this case, it was a knock on

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Quote: Mild mannered Janitor "Now, if the incident which is being over analysed to the nth degree was not a knock on, then why do referees penalise the tackled ball carrier when they lose control of the ball and recover it whilst facing their own goal line.'"


It is not a knock on when a tackled player loses possession of the ball. This is a separate rule which applies to any loss of possession by a tackled playerLosing possession – intentionally – accidentally 8. A tackled player shall not intentionally part with the ball other than by bringing it into play in the prescribed manner. If, after being tackled, he accidentally loses possession, a scrum shall be formed except after the fifth play-the-ball.'"


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Briers changes the direction of the ball, doesn't take it cleanly. The ball would have continued travelling past him, in stead it stopped dead and hit the ground. That's a knock on. We know it's a knock on, because that's what was given against Rob Burrow in the game against Wire last year, where the ball continued to travel backwards until Burrow picked it up clean.

Leuluai doesn't deliberately play the ball, he completes a tackle, and brushes a ball lost by Hodgson. Delaney is part of that tackle, and so is onside to play the ball, which he does, and scores. It's a legit try, and should have been given.

There's also at least one incident of 'running through the line' by Wire dummy runners, for which we've seen tries chalked off this year, and Waterhouse clears Sinfield out for another of Warrington's tries.

Meanwhile Briers deliberately makes contact with an airborne player (i.e. a dangerous tackle) and isn't binned, while Paul Wood is seen striking, and not (as should be the case) red carded.

An altogether woeful and one-eyed display from Silverwood, surely he's got to be sacked after being so e for so long.

As for some of the other 'I know the rules' special ones on here, McGuire's try at Wigan should have stood, as Cummins confirmed in the report for the weekend. There is no rule against dropkicking in open play, or that dropkicks must only be for goal (that's why missed drop goals are play on/20 metre restart it the ball goes dead).

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Leeds throw between 10 and 20 forward passes a game, so dont start moaning about other clubs getting away with the odd infringement, they also employ Ryan Bailey, reason enough to be penalised, not to mention Brent Webb, and Danny Buderus , who was unable to get up off the floor without leaning all over the opposition player as he played the ball

Danny knocked on and kicked at the ball

You lost fair and square, get over it

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Quote: Tyke's/Rhinos No. 1 Fan "Delaney is part of that tackle, and so is onside to play the ball, which he does, and scores.'"


Delaney had dropped off the tackle. So even if being in the tackle did make him onside (it doesn't) that wouldn't apply.
He was clearly in front of Leuluai when the ball touched Leuluai. He was offside. Whether Leuluai knocked on or didn't knock on the correct decision was always going to be a scrum to Leeds.

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Quote: Tyke's/Rhinos No. 1 Fan "Briers changes the direction of the ball, doesn't take it cleanly. The ball would have continued travelling past him, in stead it stopped dead and hit the ground. That's a knock on. '"

Nope. it is only a knock on if he propels it towards the opponents' lien., He didn't.. People have published phtographic proof, so you really need to accept the fact that it was a good and correct call. Continuing to pis$ into the wind is never a good idea.

Quote: Tyke's/Rhinos No. 1 Fan "Leuluai doesn't deliberately play the ball, he completes a tackle, and brushes a ball lost by Hodgson. Delaney is part of that tackle, and so is onside to play the ball, which he does, and scores. It's a legit try, and should have been given.'"

It looked to me as if he was clearly trying to get the loose ball. If he wasn't. then it is a strange co-inicidence why he started to move his hand exactly in the direction the ball happened to be, wouldn't you say?

Quote: Tyke's/Rhinos No. 1 Fan "An altogether woeful and one-eyed display from Silverwood, surely he's got to be sacked after being so poop for so long. '"

He got the gig as he's been the best ref to date. He had an excellent game. The two major decisions, one wa sprobably by a TJ (but correct) and the other was not even by him, it was (correctly ) given by the VR. How do you not know this?

You seriously need to get over it. But ridiculous hyperbole never helped a case in the recorded history of cases.

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Quote: SBR "Delaney had dropped off the tackle. So even if being in the tackle did make him onside (it doesn't) that wouldn't apply.
He was clearly in front of Leuluai when the ball touched Leuluai. He was offside. Whether Leuluai knocked on or didn't knock on the correct decision was always going to be a scrum to Leeds.'"


Hodgson was attempting to regain control, Leuluai made a concious attempt to prevent him doing so, result Knock on

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Quote: Tyke's/Rhinos No. 1 Fan "Briers changes the direction of the ball, doesn't take it cleanly. The ball would have continued travelling past him, in stead it stopped dead and hit the ground. That's a knock on. We know it's a knock on, because that's what was given against Rob Burrow in the game against Wire last year, where the ball continued to travel backwards until Burrow picked it up clean.

Leuluai doesn't deliberately play the ball, he completes a tackle, and brushes a ball lost by Hodgson. Delaney is part of that tackle, and so is onside to play the ball, which he does, and scores. It's a legit try, and should have been given.

There's also at least one incident of 'running through the line' by Wire dummy runners, for which we've seen tries chalked off this year, and Waterhouse clears Sinfield out for another of Warrington's tries.

Meanwhile Briers deliberately makes contact with an airborne player (i.e. a dangerous tackle) and isn't binned, while Paul Wood is seen striking, and not (as should be the case) red carded.

An altogether woeful and one-eyed display from Silverwood, surely he's got to be sacked after being so poop for so long.

As for some of the other 'I know the rules' special ones on here, McGuire's try at Wigan should have stood, as Cummins confirmed in the report for the weekend. There is no rule against dropkicking in open play, or that dropkicks must only be for goal (that's why missed drop goals are play on/20 metre
restart it the ball goes dead).'"


Talking of one eyed, you should change your name to Cyclopes. As has already been pointed out, Leeds appear to be exempt from the forward pass rule. You also forget the multitude of soft penalties Leeds were awarded in the first 15 minutes but did nowt with.

Someone else states some bumf about the photographic evidence. Is that the series of three pictures where Lee briers is behind the ball on the second icon_wink.gif

It was a knock on, the officials got it wrong

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