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Tomkins
Charnley
Reed
Atkins
Hall
Widdop
Brough
Graham
McIlorum
Burgess
Ellis
Hock
O'Loughlin

Crabtree
Westood
Mossop
Roby

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Picking an inital 32 man squad with plenty of cover I'd be looking at something like:

Tomkins
Ratchford

Charnley
Hall
Briscoe

Reed
Atkins
Watkins
Goulding

Widdop
Chase

Brough
Lomax/Smith

Graham
Mossop
L Burgess
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Hill
Carvell
McCarthy-Scarsbrook
Patrick

Roby
McIlorum
Burrow/Houghton

S Burgess
Ellis
Hock
Westwood
Farrell
JJB/Bateman
O’Loughlin
Sinfield

Obviously aspects such as 2013 form/injuries are going to play a massive part in whittling that down to a final 24 and then 17. I've tried to mix some of the most promising younger players with experience and remove what I consider dead wood from the squad. If McNamara is still in charge a lot of this will still be floating around however no doubt.

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Lets get a petition going to bring back the Lions and the tour and send it to the RFL and ARL

PNG V GB Port Moresby
Prime Ministers 13 V GB Canberra
Kangaroos V GB, Sydney
Kangaroos V GB Melbourne
Kangaroos V GB Brisbane
Kiwis V GB Christchurch
Fiji V GB Suva

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i will try again.

1 S.Tomkins
2 T.Briscoe
3 Reed
4 Atkins
5 R.Hall
6 Widdop
7 Brough
8 Graham
9 Roby
10 Harrison
11 Westwood
12 Hock
13 S.Burgess
S Burrow
S R.Bailey
S Crabtree
S Patrick

Reserves:
1. Goulding
2 Mossop
3 Charnley
4 Carvell
5 Lomax
6 Broughton
7 Bateman
8 Cudjoe

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24 man squad

Initial 17
1. Tomkins
2. Charnley
3. Watkins
4. Reed
5. Hall
6. Brough/Widdop
7. Lomax
8. Mossop
9. Roby
10. Graham
11. Ellis
12. Westwood
13. O'Loughlin (C)

14. Burrow
15. Burgess
16. Hock
17. Carvell

18. Brough/Widdop
19. Sinfield
20. Hill
21. Crabtree
22. Jones-Buchanan
23. Atkins
24. McIlorum

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Tomkins / Hardaker
Hall / McGilvary
Watkins / Reed
Atkins / Goulding
Briscoe / Charnley
Chase / Widdop
Brough / McGuire
Graham / Carvell
Roby / McIlorum
Burgess / LMS
Ellis / Farrell
Hock / JJB
Sinfield / O'Loughlin

Robinson / Burrow
Mossop / Carvell
Watts / Lynch
Wilkin / JJB

I'd love to see England vs England with something along the lines of these two squads. Surely it'd be interesting for the fans to come and spectate rather than cheer? The game would be full-blooded coming into direct competition for places.

England v England followed by England v Exiles?

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Obviously I'm biased but Briscoe has proven that he can do alot more than just scored tries and some brilliant ones at that. Charnley although he's a very good winger and one of the best English wingers around is fortunate to be playing for easily the best team in the comp were alot of his tries are handed to him. Which he mentioned himself on the Super League show the other night. Can't recall seeing him break a tackle and go the full length of the pitch or anything of note.
Like I said I'm obviously going to be bias but for me Hall and Briscoe are the two best wingers for England at the minute, followed by Charnley.

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Quote: Partisan "Lets get a petition going to bring back the Lions and the tour and send it to the RFL and ARL

PNG V GB Port Moresby
Prime Ministers 13 V GB Canberra
Kangaroos V GB, Sydney
Kangaroos V GB Melbourne
Kangaroos V GB Brisbane
Kiwis V GB Christchurch
Fiji V GB Suva'"

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Quote: A unknown superstar "Obviously I'm biased but Briscoe has proven that he can do alot more than just scored tries and some brilliant ones at that. Charnley although he's a very good winger and one of the best English wingers around is fortunate to be playing for easily the best team in the comp were alot of his tries are handed to him. Which he mentioned himself on the Super League show the other night. Can't recall seeing him break a tackle and go the full length of the pitch or anything of note.
Like I said I'm obviously going to be bias but for me Hall and Briscoe are the two best wingers for England at the minute, followed by Charnley.'"


I actually think Charnley and Briscoe are. Never really got the attraction with Hall. Good athelete and scored two good tries against Aus last year but he's nothing special for me. Too much emphasis is put on who scores the most tries when discussing the best wingers but wingers who score alot tend to get alot of walk ins because they are in the best teams. Hall is a perfect example of this and I don't often see Hall score a try that Briscoe couldn't have scored. However I see Briscoe do something every week and think, "theres not many who could do what he just did there." Take the Leeds game on Friday, quiet game by him (and all the wingers really) but could Hall have slid behind his line to clean up that kick before making 20 metres? Not a chance.

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Quote: Mr. Zucchini Head "I actually think Charnley and Briscoe are. Never really got the attraction with Hall. Good athelete and scored two good tries against Aus last year but he's nothing special for me. Too much emphasis is put on who scores the most tries when discussing the best wingers but wingers who score alot tend to get alot of walk ins because they are in the best teams. Hall is a perfect example of this and I don't often see Hall score a try that Briscoe couldn't have scored. However I see Briscoe do something every week and think, "theres not many who could do what he just did there." Take the Leeds game on Friday, quiet game by him (and all the wingers really) but could Hall have slid behind his line to clean up that kick before making 20 metres? Not a chance.'"


I don't think you've actually watched much of Ryan Hall have you? He's a much better defender than Briscoe, he frequently picks up the ball behind his line and makes good metres against the odds, he's capable of some magic jinking runs, scored plenty of long range tries and, whilst he's no Vainakolo, he barges defenders out of the way to score tries that Briscoe simply wouldn't have a hope of managing.

Nothing against Briscoe, I like him, but if you don't think Hall has much about him then you're either blinkered or bonkers.

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Quote: Big Jim Slade "I don't think you've actually watched much of Ryan Hall have you? He's a much better defender than Briscoe, he frequently picks up the ball behind his line and makes good metres against the odds, he's capable of some magic jinking runs, scored plenty of long range tries and, whilst he's no Vainakolo, he barges defenders out of the way to score tries that Briscoe simply wouldn't have a hope of managing.

Nothing against Briscoe, I like him, but if you don't think Hall has much about him then you're either blinkered or bonkers.'"


Obviously I don't see as much of Hall as you do and I'm not saying I don't like Hall because I would be more than happy if Hull signed him. When I say he doesn't have much about him I mean relative to other international wingers.

Anyway, in defence is he that much better? Are you basing it on their one on one tackling? Positional sense? Ability to defuse kicks? I don't think there is alot to split them tbh. Magic jinking runs? Well I've never seen one but I'll take your word for it. He does score long range tries because as I have said he is a good athelete but how often does he have to beat defenders to score these and how often is it good work by his team mates to give him a clear run? He is more likely to blast players out the way than Briscoe because he has a bigger frame but Briscoe has a better fend.

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Quote: A unknown superstar "Obviously I'm biased but Briscoe has proven that he can do alot more than just scored tries and some brilliant ones at that. Charnley although he's a very good winger and one of the best English wingers around is fortunate to be playing for easily the best team in the comp were alot of his tries are handed to him. Which he mentioned himself on the Super League show the other night. Can't recall seeing him break a tackle and go the full length of the pitch or anything of note.
Like I said I'm obviously going to be bias but for me Hall and Briscoe are the two best wingers for England at the minute, followed by Charnley.'"


90% agree with you, but I think when fully fit Jermaine McGilvary is right up there with the top two. His kicking on the wing is immense! Charnley would be fourth choice for me.

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Quote: Mr. Zucchini Head "Obviously I don't see as much of Hall as you do and I'm not saying I don't like Hall because I would be more than happy if Hull signed him. When I say he doesn't have much about him I mean relative to other international wingers.

Anyway, in defence is he that much better? Are you basing it on their one on one tackling? Positional sense? Ability to defuse kicks? I don't think there is alot to split them tbh. Magic jinking runs? Well I've never seen one but I'll take your word for it. He does score long range tries because as I have said he is a good athelete but how often does he have to beat defenders to score these and how often is it good work by his team mates to give him a clear run? He is more likely to blast players out the way than Briscoe because he has a bigger frame but Briscoe has a better fend.'"


Best attacking winger this year has been Broughton. He would score more on the wing for Wigan than Charnley IMO.

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France should never be put together with Great Britain. First of all it makes no sense whatsoever and secondly, where do you stop? Italy, Serbia, Lebanon?

The Four Nations should be Australia, New Zealand, France and Great Britain in the northern hemisphere. If you're going to have the tournament in the southern hemisphere (which I wouldn't) then include the top ranked SH side after the Kangaroos and Kiwis. At present that would be Papua New Guinea, leaving Fiji, Samoa, Tonga and the Cook Islands to play in the Pacific Cup.

World Cups should see the home nations rather than GB participate. If players know they can play for GB in the Four Nations without ruling themselves out of representing their nation in the big one, I believe we are far less likely to see the embarrassing flip-flopping between countries we currently have.

A GB tour every four years, along the lines of some earlier posts, would prove popular and would again dissuade players from putting their hands up for a nation for all the wrong reasons.

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