I can't believe you can't grasp this, for start they will have another three years if they do bring back promotion & relegation.

So, with your rules Salford, Castleford, Wakey and now also Saints have to give up before the deadline. That is fine, someone tell Salford Council that they can keep there £20m because it is all over before the have even filled out the application forms. There is no point in investing in us because we are are all in NL1.

Widnes, Leigh & Halifax and one other are in, done deal... so now how does the system look and how do the RFL look? That's right, we are not interested in anyone investing in these 4 clubs anyway we never wanted them to get new facilities and new grounds... they all just looked like they could have the potential to be as successful as Warrington and who wants that. Widnes, Leigh and Halifax have great grounds as well, we don't need any more!

It also gets complicated if all three get their stadiums built (which I know you don't think is possible, Starbug).

Problem here is as we've seen before a club will get the npd and then they could still say oh well X funding didn't actually come off or we thought this permission / safety issue would be covered by now and it isn't. That stuff can still happen after Savilles review.

As Starbug say's overall they will just be used as a tool to hide behind. They got lucky Widnes as a club didn't go against them after last round and Tricky Dicky got quite pally with SO'C to ensure we didn't cause any issues and we'll be rewarded for that. However they know if / when they boot a SL side out due to more severe financially implications they will be hit back at hard no matter who it is, so are simply looking for people to hide behind.

Lewis got utteryly burnt on NW tonight after last round of franchises so will now use this Rimmer bloke to have a full set of answers lined up and prob walk away the day after annnouncements to save any 'lay blame' messages.

Leigh did it , Widnes did it , Doncaster did it , Fax have done it

It isn't me that is making the stadium the issue here , it is the RFL , problem is they are that thick , they couldn't see this coming

Surely you can see an issue were sides outside SL are expected to have up to scratch facilities on what 1/5 of the budget with no SKY money etc yet some sides in SL have happily just took every penny and invested it where exatcly?

Leigh got their stadium done in time for 2008, Widnes got ours sorted outside of SL, why should anyone else with much more money coming in be any different? Save the economy excuse as well as sides ignored the good times to fill the directors pockets!

Saints and Salford will have part built stadia by this time next year , it will be plain to see , there will be steelwork and concrete , but both will struggle to be finished for feb 2012

Cas and Wakey ? , Who knows if they will even have started but one thing is certain , they need to build them no matter what or where they end up , it cannot be a , no SL , no stadium situaton

I see where youre coming from,but i also see a slight dilemma.

Wakefield have already announced that they wont be at Belle Vue in 2012.

Come what may next season is the last at Belle Vue.

So if they do have a subsequent plan to play out of Oakwell while building is complete,i dont see how the RFL would have any option but to assess their facilities based on Oakwell.

I agree with Starbug (but I did take a few liberties with his punctuation to ease the shock).

Savilles will do as professional a job as possible to establish whether a stadium will be ready for Feb 2012. The RFL are behaving professionally by getting advice from specialists. Using Savilles reduces the likelihood of clubs playing fast and loose. It makes it even harder for them to cry foul after the decisions in July 2011.

Whether they use spcialists or not some people are desperate to bag the RFL.

Unfortunately it's not that simple. Oakwell is not a long term option.

100% agree. Anyone who takes that attitude should be booted out IMO. RL needs teams who will use the SKY & RFL money to make the competition stronger at club and international level. All these clubs who live on that money to pay off various debts etc are in effect just a drain on our debt. Personally I really can't believe after 12 years or so Wakey haven't grew much further as a club despite the money and have what one playoff win, one cup semi to show for it on the pitch? Cone on that ain't right surely? If you can't afford to be in SL (sane for us in 2007 btw) then why not let someone else have a go why you take a few years in Championship? What they should if done with Crusaders and tbh Quins now too.

It's hard to stay competitive and develop in SL so drop down sort stadium & set up then come back much stronger.

You are spot on mate and if they don't make it in time then they will have to go down and do it the hard way like those clubs. Also, don't think I don't think that they deserve a place in SL because they may well do, but the point is here, is that the RFL have given them a deadline and made the new stadia the no 1 issue. If they do get started before the RFL deadline and Savills are convinced they are as water-tight as possible can you not see that they have to be allowed into SL.

I agree that Widnes and maybe Leigh should have got in last time but that was then and this is now. I don't support any of these clubs but not to allow them to at least try and get themselves sorted and if they do, turn them down because they are going to be 6 months late would be madness.

And the clubs also should be in it for the long haul , and if some of that includes playing in the Championship and having to prove themselves as fit for SL , so be it

I agree its not simple.

But if people dont want a club to be assessed on a stadia that might/might not be ready and as in Wakefields case,they wont be at their current home -- what can they assess their facilities on?