Well, given the fact that the majority of people in the UK are fully vaccinated, then most covid cases/deaths are going to involve vaccinated people. However, once this context is factored into the stats, the death rate is far lower in vaccinated people.

The more people who are vaccinated also significantly reduces the likelihood of further variants, as the body is likely to fight off the virus much quicker giving the virus less time to replicate and mutate. It would help if the pharmaceutical companies waved the patents on the vaccines so poorer countries could manufacture their own.

That balance has changed we are getting more un vaccinated people going into hospital and causing the current death rates. The load on the NHS is still rising and could reach a tipping point in the next couple of weeks, however from South Africa data the cycle lasts around 6 weeks. This is very close to our tipping point and thats why there is such a big push by the government and medical science to vaccinate.

We have around 150 000 hospital beds in the UK and normally in the winter period without Covid it has a take up of 90% which is 135 000 beds in use, That leaves us with a waterboard margin of 15 000 beds for Covid and people whohave delayed major illnesses caused by the Covid Load. Currently at the date of 31st December a few days ago we have 12 400 covid cases hospilised.

The other factor is that their is a drop in staff of at least 25% directly or indirectly through Covid, another tipping point which is adding to the NHS load.

Its a race of vaccinate restrictions and consideration against time because by maths we roughly have 2 400 hospital beds left, these next few weeks are critical and everyone is encouraged to do their bit. We might not follow the South Africa model because the UK has such a large density population spread which does us no favour with the transmission rate with an R rate greater than 3.

Quote: Judder Man "That balance has changed we are getting more un vaccinated people going into hospital and causing the current death rates. The load on the NHS is still rising and could reach a tipping point in the next couple of weeks, however from South Africa data the cycle lasts around 6 weeks. This is very close to our tipping point and thats why there is such a big push by the government and medical science to vaccinate. We have around 150 000 hospital beds in the UK and normally in the winter period without Covid it has a take up of 90% which is 135 000 beds in use, That leaves us with a waterboard margin of 15 000 beds for Covid and people whohave delayed major illnesses caused by the Covid Load. Currently at the date of 31st December a few days ago we have 12 400 covid cases hospilised. The other factor is that their is a drop in staff of at least 25% directly or indirectly through Covid, another tipping point which is adding to the NHS load. Its a race of vaccinate restrictions and consideration against time because by maths we roughly have 2 400 hospital beds left, these next few weeks are critical and everyone is encouraged to do their bit. We might not follow the South Africa model because the UK has such a large density population spread which does us no favour with the transmission rate with an R rate greater than 3.'" Omricon daily report 31/12 still has unvaccinated hospitalised at 25%. These low percentages are no surprise though as even if the unvaccinated cases go up as long as one is young and healthy they will suffer some symptoms and then recover as well as then having some immunity for any future infections. Why natural immunity seems to be ignored and its a drive to keep pumping vaccines into people I have no idea. Studies have shown natural immunity is effective in stopping hospitalisation. https://twitter.com/virusmonologues/sta ... hQq2Q&s=19 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 21262415v1

Quote: Judder Man "That balance has changed we are getting more un vaccinated people going into hospital and causing the current death rates. The load on the NHS is still rising and could reach a tipping point in the next couple of weeks, however from South Africa data the cycle lasts around 6 weeks. This is very close to our tipping point and thats why there is such a big push by the government and medical science to vaccinate. We have around 150 000 hospital beds in the UK and normally in the winter period without Covid it has a take up of 90% which is 135 000 beds in use, That leaves us with a waterboard margin of 15 000 beds for Covid and people whohave delayed major illnesses caused by the Covid Load. Currently at the date of 31st December a few days ago we have 12 400 covid cases hospilised. The other factor is that their is a drop in staff of at least 25% directly or indirectly through Covid, another tipping point which is adding to the NHS load. Its a race of vaccinate restrictions and consideration against time because by maths we roughly have 2 400 hospital beds left, these next few weeks are critical and everyone is encouraged to do their bit. We might not follow the South Africa model because the UK has such a large density population spread which does us no favour with the transmission rate with an R rate greater than 3.'" Omricon daily report 31/12 still has unvaccinated hospitalised at 25%. These low percentages are no surprise though as even if the unvaccinated cases go up as long as one is young and healthy they will suffer some symptoms and then recover as well as then having some immunity for any future infections. Why natural immunity seems to be ignored and its a drive to keep pumping vaccines into people I have no idea. Studies have shown natural immunity is effective in stopping hospitalisation. https://twitter.com/virusmonologues/sta ... hQq2Q&s=19 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 21262415v1

If you've had covid then the natural immunity you get by fighting it off is a better protection than a vaccine. Quite possibly, even probably. How recent the vaccine doses were given and whether you've had a booster are a factor to consider.

However, being vaccinated/boosted does appear to give a better statistical chance of avoiding severe illness, hospitalisation and death compared to having no previous protection.

Natural immunity is great, so long as catching covid doesn't kill you first!

Like many of you, I have some covid "vulnerable" friends. They're not unhealthy, obese, smokers, drinkers or whatever. Life has just dealt them a hand which means that they're more susceptible to disease/illness than others. Those that are happy socialise, mix, and spread the virus are putting the lives of these individuals at risk. They still need shop for basic needs, and why others blatantly ignore the simple requirement to wear a mask and keep a sensible distance is beyond me.

If this pandemic hasnt encouraged the unhealthy amongst us, ie, those who are overweight and have a lifestyle full of processed food, beer and cigarettes, to actually sort their lifestyle out, nothing will and I feel sorry for them.

https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/ru ... d-22633147 John Kear's view is that Bradford won't give contract extensions to the 20% of Bradford players not vaccinated, nor will he sign anyone new who isn't. I don't know who these 20% are or what sized hole they would create by leaving, but for the greater good I support JKs stance.

https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/ru ... d-22633147 John Kear's view is that Bradford won't give contract extensions to the 20% of Bradford players not vaccinated, nor will he sign anyone new who isn't. I don't know who these 20% are or what sized hole they would create by leaving, but for the greater good I support JKs stance.

Obviously he will but is powerless to do anything about it. He can control what he can control.

i dont like the sound of that at all it stinks of double standards but its up to him i suppose

Bet your one of those whinging stood outside a night club that requires you to wear a tie, if that's the ruling they have gone by they either accept it or go elsewhere

Double standards is where you are able to deal with things equally but opt instead to look less favourably on something for your own gain. This is exactly the opposite of what JK is doing. He's willing to sacrifice our player retention and recruitment because it's the right thing to do, even whilst playing teams that are not taking the same moral stand.