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[b:3w2ur1db]Superleague Titles[/b:3w2ur1db] Warrington Wolfs - 0 Wakefield Trinity - 0 Leigh Centurions - 0 [quote="Budgiezilla":3w2ur1db]Surely it can only be a player from Catalans. Probably the best RL side I have ever witnessed in this season's comp.[/quote:3w2ur1db]:



Average attendance to number of people in town/city and Leeds are near the bottom so their fans should never harp on about attendances

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Quote: bramleyrhino "Pointing out that the leisure market in Leeds is a lot more competitive than in Cas and the population dynamics are also very difference is not a "feeble excuse" - they're the facts of the market.

The facts are also that every club, big or small, needs to work harder at increasing their customer base. If you're not attracting new fans, you're losing fans and the reality is that some clubs aren't working as hard or as smart as others in this regard.

Castleford aren't confined to marketing themselves to the population of Castleford. If their crowds aren't growing because the market is too small, they need to expand to another market.

But yeah, petty 'whataboutism' is really what this sport needs right now.'"


Yeah, it’s not like Castleford have to compete with a place that’s a 3 quid 15 minute train ride away...... stop being a moron

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[quote:18jc6kzm]I wish everyone would read bramleyrhino's post two or three times just to get it through some thick skulls[/quote:18jc6kzm] [quote:18jc6kzm]Mr bramleyrhino speaks a lot of sense.[/quote:18jc6kzm] [quote="Jamie Jones-Buchanan":18jc6kzm]"I'd never forgive myself if a child of mine was born in Lancashire.[/quote:18jc6kzm]:1506.jpg



The bottom line is that all clubs have to work harder, and I've never said some haven't. But some aren't working as hard as others.

These forums are full of moans about the lack of crowds, the falling participation, the crap sponsors and crap TV deals. Now we can do what we usually do and take the easy answer by blaming the RFL and hoping that Eddie Hearn will save us, or we can apportion blame with where it actually lies - with ALL of the clubs. My point however still stands, some clubs are more culpable than others.

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Quote: bramleyrhino "The bottom line is that all clubs have to work harder, and I've never said some haven't. But some aren't working as hard as others.

These forums are full of moans about the lack of crowds, the falling participation, the crap sponsors and crap TV deals. Now we can do what we usually do and take the easy answer by blaming the RFL and hoping that Eddie Hearn will save us, or we can apportion blame with where it actually lies - with ALL of the clubs. My point however still stands, some clubs are more culpable than others.'"


Back to the usual snorefest over typed lines, I actually take it back you might be a politician. What makes you so smart that you know more than club owners whose interest it is in to make a business work ??? Maybe you should buy a RL club or start your own amateur club in an expansionist area and we can all watch as that club soars to the top of RL showing all others in the sport how it’s done ??? I can’t imagine thinking I’m so smart I have thought of thousands of ideas that club owners and marketing teams haven’t whose interest it is in to succeed.

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Quote: Cas Till I Die "Back to the usual snorefest over typed lines, I actually take it back you might be a politician. What makes you so smart that you know more than club owners whose interest it is in to make a business work ??? Maybe you should buy a RL club or start your own amateur club in an expansionist area and we can all watch as that club soars to the top of RL showing all others in the sport how it’s done ??? I can’t imagine thinking I’m so smart I have thought of thousands of ideas that club owners and marketing teams haven’t whose interest it is in to succeed.'"


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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: Lebron James "Average attendance to number of people in town/city and Leeds are near the bottom so their fans should never harp on about attendances

Regards

King James'"


......of the 28 teams in the top tier of our sport, across 2 comps and 4 countries. Leeds are #6 in terms of average attendances. In 2017 8 of the SL clubs would make up the positions 21-28 with only Wigan, FC and Saints bothering......and of those clubs, only Saints have SFA to compete with other than Knowsley Safari Park!
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"The Golden Generation finally has its Golden Fleece! They have Wembley Cup Final winners medals to add to their collection." 23/08/2014:



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Really says something about the RL fan base when you have people of small clubs being critical of how Leeds are run.

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: ThePrinter "a010.gif too be fair......I reckon most of your fans live in the ground and are homeless junkies and I am thankful that your coach who I slagged off to his face in 2008 is finally being shown to be a fraud..... icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif

If Leeds are a badly run club then there's little hope for any other sporting institute on the planet....eve Wigan would fall over without Lenegan but Leeds are as solid a business model as I have ever seen!



....I need to shower now as I feel grubby..... icon_wink.gif

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"The Golden Generation finally has its Golden Fleece! They have Wembley Cup Final winners medals to add to their collection." 23/08/2014:



Quote: Call Me God "too be fair......I reckon most of your fans live in the ground and are homeless junkies and I am thankful that your coach who I slagged off to his face in 2008 is finally being shown to be a fraud.....
Yeah he's only gone on to win 4 GF's, 2 CC's, 1 WCC and LLS whilst you've been on here posting various numbers and stats........you've sure shown him icon_lol.gif

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Quote: Cas Till I Die "Why is it always Leeds fans banging on about smaller clubs attendances/holding back the game like they are the blueprint how every sporting club should be run.... it’s so hypocritical from fans of a club who are against running an academy and attract the massive amount of around 20,000 out of nearly a million people despite being the most successful super league side and only having a very poor football club to compete with. I’d focus a little closer to home rather than looking at how the smaller clubs are trying to get interest.'"


Quite, indeed the only set of fans who needed police intervention during the whole weekend due to the behaviour of a section of them, but you'd think they were the rugby league disciples of the lord himself.

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[quote:18jc6kzm]I wish everyone would read bramleyrhino's post two or three times just to get it through some thick skulls[/quote:18jc6kzm] [quote:18jc6kzm]Mr bramleyrhino speaks a lot of sense.[/quote:18jc6kzm] [quote="Jamie Jones-Buchanan":18jc6kzm]"I'd never forgive myself if a child of mine was born in Lancashire.[/quote:18jc6kzm]:1506.jpg



Quote: Cas Till I Die "Back to the usual snorefest over typed lines, I actually take it back you might be a politician. What makes you so smart that you know more than club owners whose interest it is in to make a business work ??? Maybe you should buy a RL club or start your own amateur club in an expansionist area and we can all watch as that club soars to the top of RL showing all others in the sport how it’s done ??? I can’t imagine thinking I’m so smart I have thought of thousands of ideas that club owners and marketing teams haven’t whose interest it is in to succeed.'"


Do you actually disagree with the notion that it's the clubs and not the RFL that need to take their proportion of the blame, or does it not just suit the preconceived notions held by you and others on this forum?

I've got plenty of experience getting people to attend events for a living - that's where my opinions and observations come from and it's why I don't fall for the "blame the RFL and get Eddie Hearn" nonsense. I've even discussed marketing strategies with two clubs in this sport so I've seen first hand what they're doing well and what they're not doing well. I'm guessing that gives me a slightly better insight than you and your pet seal Cokey?

Anyway, it's clear we're not going to agree so let's leave it there, eh? I can accept that I don't have it right all of the time but at the same time, this forum used to be a place where your ideas were challenged with reasoned counter-arguments, rather than childish retorts. It's a shame that one has to go to TotalRL for that sort of discussion now.

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Quote: bramleyrhino "Do you actually disagree with the notion that it's the clubs and not the RFL that need to take their proportion of the blame, or does it not just suit the preconceived notions held by you and the juvenile that seems to do nothing more than clap along to your substance-less posts?

I've got plenty of experience getting people to attend events - that's where my opinions and observations come from and it's why I don't fall for the "blame the RFL and get Eddie Hearn" nonsense. I've even discussed marketing strategies with two clubs in this sport so I've seen first hand what they're doing well and what they're not doing well. I'm guessing that gives me a slightly better insight than you and your pet seal Cokey?'"


Put your dummy back in soft @r$3, Mr (know it all ) marketing freak. c015.gif

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[quote:18jc6kzm]I wish everyone would read bramleyrhino's post two or three times just to get it through some thick skulls[/quote:18jc6kzm] [quote:18jc6kzm]Mr bramleyrhino speaks a lot of sense.[/quote:18jc6kzm] [quote="Jamie Jones-Buchanan":18jc6kzm]"I'd never forgive myself if a child of mine was born in Lancashire.[/quote:18jc6kzm]:1506.jpg



Quote: Cokey "Put your dummy back in soft @r$3, Mr (know it all ) marketing freak.
Good night to you too Cokey. You truly are a credit to this forum.

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: ThePrinter "Yeah he's only gone on to win 4 GF's, 2 CC's, 1 WCC and LLS whilst you've been on here posting various numbers and stats........you've sure shown him lol....I still shudder when I think of the stare I got back from him.... icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif

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Quote: bramleyrhino "Good night to you too Cokey. You truly are a credit to this forum.'"


Thanks,but try coming out of the tunnel.

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