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22/03/2013
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| Quote: ThePrinter "Not sure about playing with the points as it would lessen the original 23 rounds.
For me one thing has to be moving the Challenge Cup final to earlier in the season. We start the Top 8's and people are looking at two teams who have reached the final and looking at their form pre match and then particularly post Wembley and to have the Final right in the middle of the 7 extra games just feels like a bit of a comedown with regards to the games either side of it.'"
I think moving the cup final is a good idea and thinking a bit more about it, next season Leeds should be back at the top end so really we could have 6 or 7 clubs on similar points when the super 8s starts which is what we need to make the comp exciting for everyone who loves watching rl
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"The Golden Generation finally has its Golden Fleece! They have Wembley Cup Final winners medals to add to their collection."
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| Quote: j.c "I think moving the cup final is a good idea and thinking a bit more about it, next season Leeds should be back at the top end so really we could have 6 or 7 clubs on similar points when the super 8s starts which is what we need to make the comp exciting for everyone who loves watching rl'"
That's just the way sport goes really. Not every MPG will be a golden point game, some will be a one sided SL win over a Championship side. In football I've seen teams have the title won with a few games to spare and I've seen Aguero score in the last minute to win a title. I've seen Leeds Rhinos win a GF with 20 mins to spare in 2007 and seen it go down the last tackle in 2015. Leeds won the LLS with Hall's try in the last second last year, in 2004 we won it with 3 games to spare. North Queensland in the NRL last year won in extra time after Thurston hit the post with the last kick of normal time, several years ago the GF was won by Manly in a 40-0 scoreline. Ryder Cup golf is on, been some big winning margins recently and also has the Miracle of Medinah in 2012 (will need similar today if Europe are going to win).
Some seasons the fight for the top 4 spots will be close, some times it won't. Only two years ago in 2014 with two rounds left the table looked like....
Saints - 38
Cas - 34
Wigan - 33
Wire - 33
Hudds - 33
Leeds - 32
People are being too quick to overreact and probably just showing their pre-determined thoughts on the system to be critical because the top 4 was settled early. That's just sport and you can't guarantee closeness every time.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "There is a massive difference in being the bottom club and getting relegated, compared to having an all or nothing game.'"
No there isn't. Even in a standard league format you could still easily end up with a single game that decides the fate of two clubs - we've had them before and the last one wasn't all that long ago. Any such game would still be hyped up and would probably be dubbed 'the million pound game' by the media even without the 'formal' title.
Oh - and Rovers did finish bottom of the new League structure. They did so by virtue of losing yesterday's game. The season didn't end last week.
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| Quote: Kosh "No there isn't. Even in a standard league format you could still easily end up with a single game that decides the fate of two clubs - we've had them before and the last one wasn't all that long ago. Any such game would still be hyped up and would probably be dubbed 'the million pound game' by the media even without the 'formal' title.'"
You mean like the Million Pound Match between Cas & Wakey in 2006?!?
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| I would keep the structure as it is, but then have the bottom club in SL relegated, the top club in the Championship promoted and a play off game between 11th in SL and 2nd in the Championship, then if the SL loses they can have no excuse for losing to a Championship team.
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| Quote: meast "I would keep the structure as it is, but then have the bottom club in SL relegated, the top club in the Championship promoted and a play off game between 11th in SL and 2nd in the Championship, then if the SL loses they can have no excuse for losing to a Championship team.'"
This is exactly what I would have in terms of relegation. It is similar to the Scottish football system I believe.
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| Yes we should follow Scottish football, the pinnacle of sport.
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| Quote: Willzay "Yes we should follow Scottish football, the pinnacle of sport.'"
I don't like it because of the Scottish football link, they just happen to use the system I like.
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| Quote: Kosh "No there isn't. Even in a standard league format you could still easily end up with a single game that decides the fate of two clubs - we've had them before and the last one wasn't all that long ago. Any such game would still be hyped up and would probably be dubbed 'the million pound game' by the media even without the 'formal' title.
Oh - and Rovers did finish bottom of the new League structure. They did so by virtue of losing yesterday's game. The season didn't end last week.'"
We were in Super League for ten years. We spent a total of one week at the bottom of Super League in ten years. This year, we finished above Huddersfield in the regular season and above Salford in the eight's.
Within this system, we have been relegated, we knew the rules, but I defy anyone to justify that we've got the correct system in place as a sport.
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"The Golden Generation finally has its Golden Fleece! They have Wembley Cup Final winners medals to add to their collection."
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| Quote: Sandro II Terrorista "We were in Super League for ten years. We spent a total of one week at the bottom of Super League in ten years. This year, we finished above Huddersfield in the regular season and above Salford in the eight's.
Within this system, we have been relegated, we knew the rules, but I defy anyone to justify that we've got the correct system in place as a sport.'"
I've seen teams in football only just sneak into a playoff spot at the last minute. Teams only fall into the bottom 3 on the final day and teams win Champions League titles without actually finishing their league as Champions (Liverpool finished 4th and 30 points behind the Champions to qualify for the CHAMPIONS League in 2005 they won)
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| Quote: Sandro II Terrorista "We were in Super League for ten years. We spent a total of one week at the bottom of Super League in ten years. This year, we finished above Huddersfield in the regular season and above Salford in the eight's.
Within this system, we have been relegated, we knew the rules, but I defy anyone to justify that we've got the correct system in place as a sport.'"
It's not perfect but it's a hell of a lot better than relegating a team who have come bottom of the elite comp and promoting a team who have been playing against part timers and teams with a much smaller salary budget. At least with the current system you have to justify your place over 7 games.
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| Quote: Sandro II Terrorista "We were in Super League for ten years. We spent a total of one week at the bottom of Super League in ten years. This year, we finished above Huddersfield in the regular season and above Salford in the eight's.
Within this system, we have been relegated, we knew the rules, but I defy anyone to justify that we've got the correct system in place as a sport.'"
In 2006, Cas didn't finish last and were relegated (to make way for Catalan) - everyone knows the rules at the start of the year.
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| Quote: Sandro II Terrorista "We were in Super League for ten years. We spent a total of one week at the bottom of Super League in ten years. This year, we finished above Huddersfield in the regular season and above Salford in the eight's.
Within this system, we have been relegated, we knew the rules, but I defy anyone to justify that we've got the correct system in place as a sport.'"
I was against the new structure right from the start and I'd prefer we had something else. But the whining about massive unfairness and won't somebody think of the poor players is, frankly, pathetic. It's sport. Sport isn't fair. The system we have is unnecessarily gimmicky but no more inherently unfair than any other. And the RL players whining about livelihoods and mental health maybe ought to take a look at what happens to ordinary hard-working families every day of the week.
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| I have sympathy with the players, I have a lot more sympathy with the admin/backroom staff who may well be losing their jobs without the option of another club to go to.
But we can't have it all ways. Many players, coaches, club officials complained at licensing for being a closed shop. Well this is the alternative.
The fact that it's a one-off game is a red herring. That's irrelevant. The issue is relegation itself, not the manner of relegation. Would it really make any difference to Hull KR had they lost all their games and been condemned to relegation 3 weeks ago? Not at all.
Hull KR had 30 rounds of SL in which to avoid this situation, they didn't. The only people to blame for that are the players, coaches and officials at Hull KR.
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| Quote: BD "In 2006, Cas didn't finish last and were relegated (to make way for Catalan) - everyone knows the rules at the start of the year.'"
Slight case of pot calling kettle there.
Nobody from Cas was happy about the nature of Castlefords relegation that year, many other RL supporters thought it was harsh.
I didn't hear any Cas supporters saying "it's ok, we knew the rules".
Having said that, this system was approved by the clubs and so we have to get on with it but, I dont think there were too many other options put forward.
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