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[img:24qn1m99]http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b147/DrGomez/Replacementbanner.jpg?t=1284815933[/img:24qn1m99] On thread drift: [quote="tb":24qn1m99]Tough. Conversations develop. It's their nature.[/quote:24qn1m99] Little Pepe went to nursery school one day wearing his Widnes hat. His teacher asked him why he was a Widnes fan. He said, “Because my parents are.” His teacher said, “That’s not good. What would you do if your parents were drug dealers and hookers?” He replied, “Well then I would be a Warrington fan.” [i:24qn1m99]There's a Wooly over there, baggy kecks and feathered hair with a 3 star jumper half way up his back, that’s a fecking Wooly back![/i:24qn1m99] [b:24qn1m99]Oooh-to… Oooh-to-be… Oooh-to-be-a… WOOLY![/b:24qn1m99]:24307.jpg



Quote: Starbug "Sorry you've lost me will a bigger SC make it easier , or a smaller SC make it easier

Leigh were not demoted , we were relegated for finishing in a relegation place , what happened after that is none of our doing , in fact you only have to see the current Championship 1 league table to see a possible reason why things did happen'"

A smaller cap would make it cheaper to include expansion clubs like Gateshead, Toulouse, Edinburgh eagles or the Dublin Raiders etc…

The question is, Who for? icon_wink.gif


I know what happened with Leigh. I was just joking...well, half joking.

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Quote: Pepe "A smaller cap would make it cheaper to include expansion clubs like Gateshead, Toulouse, Edinburgh eagles or the Dublin Raiders etc…

The question is, Who for?
A smaller cap in Championship 1 you mean , like 50 K , not for Toulouse of course the money being spent to fly them and us over the channel could support a new club in the midlands , in fact I wonder how much longer they can continue with their attendances going down compared to the other Elite 1 clubs , it would seem we ( Championship clubs ) are not the draw they thought we would be , they certainly aren't the draw the RFL hoped they would be for our fans

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[img:24qn1m99]http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b147/DrGomez/Replacementbanner.jpg?t=1284815933[/img:24qn1m99] On thread drift: [quote="tb":24qn1m99]Tough. Conversations develop. It's their nature.[/quote:24qn1m99] Little Pepe went to nursery school one day wearing his Widnes hat. His teacher asked him why he was a Widnes fan. He said, “Because my parents are.” His teacher said, “That’s not good. What would you do if your parents were drug dealers and hookers?” He replied, “Well then I would be a Warrington fan.” [i:24qn1m99]There's a Wooly over there, baggy kecks and feathered hair with a 3 star jumper half way up his back, that’s a fecking Wooly back![/i:24qn1m99] [b:24qn1m99]Oooh-to… Oooh-to-be… Oooh-to-be-a… WOOLY![/b:24qn1m99]:24307.jpg



Quote: Starbug "A smaller cap in Championship 1 you mean , like 50 K , not for Toulouse of course the money being spent to fly them and us over the channel could support a new club in the midlands , in fact I wonder how much longer they can continue with their attendances going down compared to the other Elite 1 clubs , it would seem we ( Championship clubs ) are not the draw they thought we would be , they certainly aren't the draw the RFL hoped they would be for our fans'"

I think that Championship fans have seen the writing on the wall, and what the future now holds foe them.

Feeder clubs and a stepping-stone-league for new expansion clubs. As well as somewhere to stick current SL heartland clubs when they need somewhere they can rot away outside the only league which matters to the RFL.

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Quote: Pepe "I think that Championship fans have seen the writing on the wall, and what the future now holds foe them.

Feeder clubs and a stepping-stone-league for new expansion clubs. As well as somewhere to stick current SL heartland clubs when they need somewhere they can rot away outside the only league which matters to the RFL.'"


The writing has been on the wall since 2007

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Quote: Starbug "The writing has been on the wall since 2007'"



Earlier than that.

Back in the 80's certain clubs were complaining that they brought more to the game and wanted more votes on the council.

As usual the RFL showed it's total lack of gonads!!!

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i fear the writing is indeed on the wall. nothing for it, petition NATO to enforce a no franchise zone, allowing us to safely march upon red hall and liberate our superleague brothers from the regimes lies!

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Quote: Pepe "

The £300k quota is the real problem for any ambitious Championship club. It may make the competition more competitive, but it brings down the entire fleets progress down to the slowest vessel. It also widens the gap between the Championship and Super League. Far from being as exciting as it should be, the quality has suffered imo, and the comp has been downgraded. This is a worse situation than the quota and points systems. Any growing of the gap, between SL and the Championship, makes so much more difficult for the stronger clubs to move up a division and makes it easier for the RFL to pull up the drawbridge on us in the future.'"


But the salary cap dosnt hamper any Champ teams because it has no relation whatsoever in how to get in to SL. The gap may be widening, although a couple of teams from the Championship have suggested otherwise in the last couple of seasons, but when a team gains a license for SL they can basically start from scratch because once you are in i have a feeling it will be very hard to be thrown out. Talk of the championship suffering is quite ridiculous as the competition was fantastic last season culminating in two great finals that wernt decided until the very end(well after in our case). Now promotion is no longer decided on the field we may as well have a competitive league and that is what we have.

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Part of me wants one of the other 2 to get it though just so I can laugh at all the Widnes fans abusing the fans of either Halifax or Barrow in the same way many of you did towards Celtic Crusaders when they got in last time.

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Im not sure that will happen in the same way Widnes fans wont get abused when they get the nod, infact i will miss their underachieving every season.

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Quote: Greg Florimos Boots "Fax have been the most successful team so it should probably be them.'"


There's one inaccuracy already!

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Quote: J20 "There's one inaccuracy already!'"


Go on ?

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Quote: Starbug "Go on ?'"


I'd measure succes out of trophies, Fax have 1 as do Widnes, Fev & Batley. Barrow have 2!

Would you say Saint most successful side last 5 years because only they reached 5 finals?

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Tbf it's another thread that turns into Leythers blaming the world for the state of RL and acting sooo hard done by even though they lag behind other clubs anyway and have contested 1 final since relegation.

If they had a shot at SL they'd all change their tune on 'success'!

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Quote: J20 "I'd measure succes out of trophies, Fax have 1 as do Widnes, Fev & Batley. Barrow have 2!

Would you say Saint most successful side last 5 years because only they reached 5 finals?'"


No the measure of playing success is how many ticks you have in the RFL s boxes

Fax have 2

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Quote: J20 "Tbf it's another thread that turns into Leythers blaming the world for the state of RL and acting sooo hard done by even though they lag behind other clubs anyway and have contested 1 final since relegation.

If they had a shot at SL they'd all change their tune on 'success'!'"


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Quote: Greg Florimos Boots "But the salary cap dosnt hamper any Champ teams because it has no relation whatsoever in how to get in to SL. The gap may be widening, although a couple of teams from the Championship have suggested otherwise in the last couple of seasons, but when a team gains a license for SL they can basically start from scratch because once you are in i have a feeling it will be very hard to be thrown out. Talk of the championship suffering is quite ridiculous as the competition was fantastic last season culminating in two great finals that wernt decided until the very end(well after in our case). Now promotion is no longer decided on the field we may as well have a competitive league and that is what we have.'"


The Championship is more competitive. But it will never have, the quality it had before the salary cap was lowered.

This quality was, admittedly, at the bigger, wealthier Championship clubs; the clubs which have a genuine and decent prospect of making a go of it in Super League. Most of the Championship clubs are quite happy to be in the Championships and see Super League as a likely financial graveyard for their clubs. They really have no ambition at all to go any further. There is nothing wrong with that option. The fact that we now have £100k less to spend means that all clubs are fairly equal and the clubs who feel they can afford better players can no longer do so. It makes it more difficult for them to bring in more fans, if they are struggling against much smaller opposition. This loss of attendance has several knock-on effects for any club placing a future licence bid.

It makes it harder for them to be successful on the field and hit the minimum attendance and turnover figures. If we still had a £400k salary cap, an ambitious club could stay largely pro and be in a better position to gain the success they need to grow and meet the necessary metrics for application. It is only going to get worse in the Championship without P&R, so I really can’t see crowds improving. If the Championships are to become nothing more than feeder clubs, then this could get drastically worse. Make no mistake; lowering the salary cap is a downgrading of the Championship, imo. It will probably mean that no heartland Championship club will be in a position to out bid a SL club again, or be regarded as a worthy replacement for even a poor, struggling SL club.

If what Starbug is saying is true, and there will never be another heartland club admitted to SL again, then it really doesn’t matter I suppose. Certainly, lowering the cap will help make this a [ifait accompli[/i.

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LondonB 26 317 862 -545 6
Hull FC 26 324 870 -546 6
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Bradford 24 618 373 245 32
Toulouse 23 662 340 322 31
Sheffield 24 594 472 122 28
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Featherstone 24 566 472 94 26
Doncaster 24 470 527 -57 23
Batley 24 378 513 -135 20
Halifax 24 475 617 -142 20
Barrow 23 418 648 -230 19
Swinton 24 446 606 -160 18
Whitehaven 24 414 806 -392 16
Dewsbury 25 308 821 -513 2
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