You didn't need to use a crystal ball to see that it would end in tears. It was blindlingly obvious.

well fortunately it hasnt ended yet, we have already seen some massive uplift for the game in Wales.

Hopefully the obstacles can be overcome and the game can move forward.

Maybe you can see in to the future, the rest of us can't no-one for instance predicted a play-off place for Crusaders this year, yet here we are.

CrudCrudCrud. I see what you did there. Clever. If going down the name calling route is what you plan to do then it says more about you than it does me to be fair. To be honest calling people names from behind their computer and slagging people off that have stuck with the game isn't for me any more. If that's what you plan to do whilst throwing your rugby league toys out of the pram then that's up to you. I intend to stick with the game which is why I still post here. I have better things to do than post on a supporters forum of a game I have supposedly turned my back on.

When did I bitch about the Bridgend consortium? I actually spoke to Gerald McCarthy about it when they were trying to buy the club. They wouldn't take the club on with no debt and it had debt, simple as that really. Samuel wouldn't sell the club and keep the debt, so no sale. I can't see what there is to fail to understand. In your mixed up world the club was ripped from the South Welsh fans even though there was nobody willing to buy what was actually on offer (the club and the debt was one package).

The debt was not accrued in one season of Super League, it was accrued before then as well allegedly. Do you really think that one season at Wrexham where the club was not run like a semi-pro union club like it was in Bridgend would have built up the majority of the debt? If you do you're more confused than I originally thought you were. It was evidently a big mistake by Wrexham Village to pay for a club in that level of debt but I for one am thankful that they did as it meant my club survived.

I'll leave facts of our sport alone though. I'll go away and see if I can make up some witty and funny name to call you, then again I might just get on with my life and support the game I love. If you want to persist on the name calling and slagging off myself and other fans who have stuck by the club then continue. It really is water off a ducks back. In fact it is quite funny to many people that a game that you have turned your back on still gets your back up and you keep reappearing like this.

For fans not realising who the person who has appeared having a pop at Wrexham here is an idea of what he was like when he supported Celtic Crusaders. You'll notice the threats, name calling and promises of retribution evident even back then. viewtopic.php?t=426540 The Leeds fans certainly had their fun. That's all I'll say on the matter from now on as pathetic squabbling is pointless. I just hope he gets banned like he has on other Celtic Crusaders forums for this kind of thing in the past. For me, personal pops at fans like the one I've now seen on another thread are out of order and childish. I just hope the powers that be also feel it is.

For fans not realising who the person who has appeared having a pop at Wrexham here is an idea of what he was like when he supported Celtic Crusaders. You'll notice the threats, name calling and promises of retribution evident even back then. viewtopic.php?t=426540 The Leeds fans certainly had their fun. That's all I'll say on the matter from now on as pathetic squabbling is pointless. I just hope he gets banned like he has on other Celtic Crusaders forums for this kind of thing in the past. For me, personal pops at fans like the one I've now seen on another thread are out of order and childish. I just hope the powers that be also feel it is.

I can see when clubs are spending cash they don't have. It is not too hard. Blackpool going bust wasn't exactly a surprise either.

Predicting sporting outcomes is another matter entirely. If I could do that, I'd have had money on the Kiwis winning the RLWC and Tri-Nations.

Not taking sides or owt but it seemed pretty clear from Grendel's post that he was alleging that the debt was built up in Bridgend Crusaders one year in SL not Wrexham Crusaders.

I blame the person responsible, which was Stephen Vaughan, and not the people who were left to pick up the pieces and had no other option but to do what they did.



Looking at those figures, it seems far from ludicrous.



I have posted no such assertions. I’m simply putting forward the true version of events which led to Widnes’ administration in 2007, and naming the person who was actually responsible, in order to counter the nonsense put forward by you.



Some are, most are not. The vast majority have put 2009 behind us, as they can see a brighter future ahead. I do however think the RFL are hopeless and completely dishonest, and I’m not just talking about their dealings with Widnes.

It's all in your head. Or is tb simply playing out Total Recall's Dr. Edgemar role? It's a pity you can't see the bead of sweat trickling down his forehead as he fills your head with plausible reasons as to why the RFL do what they do.

Some really good stuff posted on the ' linked ' threads from last year , much of it absolute bollax of course , but interesting

Oh and Lewis, I have NEVER been "banned" from other Crusaders messageboards. To follow your own modus operandi, here is a thread you started on the "Crusaders Til I Die" bubble in order to try and slander me there, but which contradicts the lie you posted here that I got banned. celticcrusaders.proboards.com/in ... 563&page=1 You'll see, if you care to look lying Lewis, that in response to wpfib's question, Ianthephotoman, the site owner, states that I deleted my OWN account. You'll ALSO see that it is another of your ad hominem dredging for damnation threads and that your bird, Misscrusader, wades in to help you out, as I stated above. Your turn. You find one of mine, I'll find one of yours.

Oh and Lewis, I have NEVER been "banned" from other Crusaders messageboards. To follow your own modus operandi, here is a thread you started on the "Crusaders Til I Die" bubble in order to try and slander me there, but which contradicts the lie you posted here that I got banned. celticcrusaders.proboards.com/in ... 563&page=1 You'll see, if you care to look lying Lewis, that in response to wpfib's question, Ianthephotoman, the site owner, states that I deleted my OWN account. You'll ALSO see that it is another of your ad hominem dredging for damnation threads and that your bird, Misscrusader, wades in to help you out, as I stated above. Your turn. You find one of mine, I'll find one of yours.

So Fireflyhalf or whatever you were called at the time was not banned from Crusaders til i die? It might have been a childish strop, akin to when you threw your toys out of your pram and turned your back on rugby league. I think you actually came on here whinging about it at the time. We'll pretend that did not happen and you did not reappear as Grendel.

I am quite flattered in being called the first Super League hooligan for our club. I was left in the ground at that game, unlike the Hull fan that started the trouble straight after one of our tries, as well as attending all of our games for the rest of that season. All of the other games went trouble free, even the away game at Hull, hardly the wave of terror you paint me to be ay? I have discussed the trouble at the game with the chief steward about it afterwards. Not bad going for a hooligan don't you think?

I did not see the Ali Lautiti incident, even though you seem to have been stood alongside me judging the colour I was going. I actually stayed around after the game and spoke to Adam Peek, even congratulated Danny McGuire on his performance on the walk back to the club house. You were probably at home hatching your plan for revenge so wouldn't have noticed this. I was discussing the game in the club house with people who actually wanted to speak to me.

Thanks for bringing my girlfriend into it and the personal insults in the kit thread. I'll get the medium shirt next season as I did last. You must be mixing me up with people, maybe yourself, if you think I need any extra large sizes.

Have a good day and don't let that anti rugby league bitterness eat you up fella. It really is not good for you.

viewtopic.php?f=72&t=406129 Here you are Chris, complaining about the moderators. Your son appears in response to it so I'm not the only one who has family members backing me up. Imagine that, people within your family attending games and sharing the same interests. It seems you had trouble from the moderators on the BBC website too. It seems a lot of people take a dislike to you don't they. I wonder why that is? Funnily enough you stop using the firefly-half account in May 2009 and start using Grendel a few months later. No doubt you will now make up a new name for me or the other people you have insulted and repost. You will make out that I am some kind of fat monster with a fear for conventional turnstiles. Do what you like. I'll be watching rugby league this coming season, you can sit at home slagging people off and getting eaten up by bitterness, I know what I'd prefer. I thought you had gone as your poorly constructed signature strip indicates. Keep popping in from time to time though, it really is comedy gold. You're hysterical.

viewtopic.php?f=72&t=406129 Here you are Chris, complaining about the moderators. Your son appears in response to it so I'm not the only one who has family members backing me up. Imagine that, people within your family attending games and sharing the same interests. It seems you had trouble from the moderators on the BBC website too. It seems a lot of people take a dislike to you don't they. I wonder why that is? Funnily enough you stop using the firefly-half account in May 2009 and start using Grendel a few months later. No doubt you will now make up a new name for me or the other people you have insulted and repost. You will make out that I am some kind of fat monster with a fear for conventional turnstiles. Do what you like. I'll be watching rugby league this coming season, you can sit at home slagging people off and getting eaten up by bitterness, I know what I'd prefer. I thought you had gone as your poorly constructed signature strip indicates. Keep popping in from time to time though, it really is comedy gold. You're hysterical.