Whereas of course, Crusaders offered the promise of financial stability which even the offer of a £500k bond from Steve O'Connor could not match.

Oh, wait.

Did I read on another thread that "The" Crusaders debts are at £3 million? and all this was accrued by the Celtic Crusaders in a single season of Sooper Dooper League?

And NOBODY buying the club noticed this?! None of the wonderful Wrexham based owners of the new club noticed a £3 million hole in a club whose market value was actually LESS than the value of the debt?

Even George Osborne's not THAT stupid.

And to think that CrudCrudCrud had a bitch at the Bridgend based consortium who bid to buyout Samuel because they refused to take on the debt! So the clueless oafs who took over the club and the debt drove the club into the ground then went crying to the RFL for a handout and THESE are the saviours of RL in Wales?

So Llew, I guess you'll have some sophistry and insults at hand to explain why these self evident facts are ACTUALLY wrong, that Wrexham has been the greatest success in the world and why I am a traitor / Union fan / sad, lonely, pathetic blah blah blah.

so you wanted to the RFL to judge the 2008 Crusaders on the basis of the 2009/2010 position?

Well, the utter bounders, not using their magical crystal ball.

What they should have done, obviously, is admitted a club which was a matter of months on from being in administration after being run into the ground by and apparently violent crook and whose financial position was such that the Chairman felt the need to offer a £500k bond to add confidence to a shaky balance sheet less than a year old.

You didn't need to use a crystal ball to see that it would end in tears. It was blindlingly obvious.

well fortunately it hasnt ended yet, we have already seen some massive uplift for the game in Wales.

Hopefully the obstacles can be overcome and the game can move forward.

Maybe you can see in to the future, the rest of us can't no-one for instance predicted a play-off place for Crusaders this year, yet here we are.

CrudCrudCrud. I see what you did there. Clever. If going down the name calling route is what you plan to do then it says more about you than it does me to be fair. To be honest calling people names from behind their computer and slagging people off that have stuck with the game isn't for me any more. If that's what you plan to do whilst throwing your rugby league toys out of the pram then that's up to you. I intend to stick with the game which is why I still post here. I have better things to do than post on a supporters forum of a game I have supposedly turned my back on.

When did I bitch about the Bridgend consortium? I actually spoke to Gerald McCarthy about it when they were trying to buy the club. They wouldn't take the club on with no debt and it had debt, simple as that really. Samuel wouldn't sell the club and keep the debt, so no sale. I can't see what there is to fail to understand. In your mixed up world the club was ripped from the South Welsh fans even though there was nobody willing to buy what was actually on offer (the club and the debt was one package).

The debt was not accrued in one season of Super League, it was accrued before then as well allegedly. Do you really think that one season at Wrexham where the club was not run like a semi-pro union club like it was in Bridgend would have built up the majority of the debt? If you do you're more confused than I originally thought you were. It was evidently a big mistake by Wrexham Village to pay for a club in that level of debt but I for one am thankful that they did as it meant my club survived.

I'll leave facts of our sport alone though. I'll go away and see if I can make up some witty and funny name to call you, then again I might just get on with my life and support the game I love. If you want to persist on the name calling and slagging off myself and other fans who have stuck by the club then continue. It really is water off a ducks back. In fact it is quite funny to many people that a game that you have turned your back on still gets your back up and you keep reappearing like this.

For fans not realising who the person who has appeared having a pop at Wrexham here is an idea of what he was like when he supported Celtic Crusaders. You'll notice the threats, name calling and promises of retribution evident even back then. viewtopic.php?t=426540 The Leeds fans certainly had their fun. That's all I'll say on the matter from now on as pathetic squabbling is pointless. I just hope he gets banned like he has on other Celtic Crusaders forums for this kind of thing in the past. For me, personal pops at fans like the one I've now seen on another thread are out of order and childish. I just hope the powers that be also feel it is.

For fans not realising who the person who has appeared having a pop at Wrexham here is an idea of what he was like when he supported Celtic Crusaders. You'll notice the threats, name calling and promises of retribution evident even back then. viewtopic.php?t=426540 The Leeds fans certainly had their fun. That's all I'll say on the matter from now on as pathetic squabbling is pointless. I just hope he gets banned like he has on other Celtic Crusaders forums for this kind of thing in the past. For me, personal pops at fans like the one I've now seen on another thread are out of order and childish. I just hope the powers that be also feel it is.

I can see when clubs are spending cash they don't have. It is not too hard. Blackpool going bust wasn't exactly a surprise either.

Predicting sporting outcomes is another matter entirely. If I could do that, I'd have had money on the Kiwis winning the RLWC and Tri-Nations.

Not taking sides or owt but it seemed pretty clear from Grendel's post that he was alleging that the debt was built up in Bridgend Crusaders one year in SL not Wrexham Crusaders.

I blame the person responsible, which was Stephen Vaughan, and not the people who were left to pick up the pieces and had no other option but to do what they did.



Looking at those figures, it seems far from ludicrous.



I have posted no such assertions. I’m simply putting forward the true version of events which led to Widnes’ administration in 2007, and naming the person who was actually responsible, in order to counter the nonsense put forward by you.



Some are, most are not. The vast majority have put 2009 behind us, as they can see a brighter future ahead. I do however think the RFL are hopeless and completely dishonest, and I’m not just talking about their dealings with Widnes.