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22/03/2013
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| Quote: retirethename "I just cannot believe the stupidly of some of the "rent a northern chip on your shoulder brigade". SOO at WEMBLEY and HEAVILY MARKETED would sell out in minutes. I don't give a love if people up north can't be ar$ed, and I could not give a fig if you feel it takes £ out of our game, because I think it will drag in more long term £'s than we could ever hope to pull in on our own.
Why is it so few people associated with our game can see long term? From fans to chairman, to administrators... Never more than a week or two ahead. Short term solutions of the past are why the game is in the SHoneT. Not the NRL being better than us, they play the long game, they do not chop and change, they are consistent ... Like every other wealthy and world wide sport. We chuck the baby out of the bath every year or two. Licensing...no good. World Cup now ever 3 years, back to P&R. For goodness sake make your minds up and bloody stick with it for years and years.
As for making it a double header, love off! Again some idiots feel they have a better idea, well you don't. Enough said, rant over.
SOO, BRING IT ON. We Wealthy Southerners with more money then sense can pay top £'s and the miserable rent a moaners north of Watford can go and stew, but bemoaning for years how they missed a chance.
By the way I am exiled from Hull, an avid LB fan but most off all cut me in half and it is says RUGBY LEAGUE BORN AND RAISED, AND PROUD! I want our game to grows not stagnate as it would if people with the blinkers who come on here with no vision and no wish for change were in charge.
Going for a nap now.'"
Good rant sir
This thread seem to have given birth to a new group of luddites,its hilarious seeing some of the user names
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| If SoO is played at Wembley, I would propose that 20% of the profits be awarded to rugby league in London and the south, with half of that amount, i.e. 10% of profits, being in the form of a direct grant to London Broncos and one sixth, i.e. 3.3%, a direct grant to London Skolars. I would give the remainder to the other southern Championship 1 clubs.
If the event is successfully patronised, and proceeds every year, it might help stabilise and even grow rugby league in London and the South.
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| Quote: JEAN CAPDOUZE "I agree that the State of Origin game, if it comes to Wembley, should be Game 1, so neither team feels disadvantaged. Also Game 1 because it would be a fresh contest with no form to go on.
But if that is so then the game must be played in late May. Then would it not clash with the end of the soccer season?'"
Play off finals are in late May, so no chance of that happening.
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| If the NRL has the foresight and the ability to put on an event that the RFL could only dream about, then we shouldn't be trying to put them off, we should be encouraging them to get even more involved, and trying to learn from them.
We have been complaining for years that the Aussies don't take the UK seriously, and now when they are showing an interest in doing something over here we get the usual Northern chipiness and moaning about it.
Of course, the aim of the game from their point of view is to raise the corporate profile of the NRL, but if it also works to raise the profile of RL in the UK then what have we got to lose?
Another 70k Rugby League event in the South of England, and some people find an excuse to moan about it.
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6679_1399761959.png [quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow]
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| Quote: EHW "Another 70k Rugby League event in the South of England, and some people find an excuse to moan about it.'"
I doubt anyone is moaning for the sake of it......I still find the concept of NRL clubs letting their stars fly a round trip of 50,000 KM's for a midweek game (or even a weekend one at that) Fanciful in its extreme.
If the ARL are serious about cashing in on the RLWC feel good factor, could I suggest they get their NATIONAL side on a plane to Play GB over 3 tests??????
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| Quote: gutterfax "I doubt anyone is moaning for the sake of it......I still find the concept of NRL clubs letting their stars fly a round trip of 50,000 KM's for a midweek game (or even a weekend one at that) Fanciful in its extreme.
If the ARL are serious about cashing in on the RLWC feel good factor, could I suggest they get their NATIONAL side on a plane to Play GB over 3 tests??????'"
Have you not heard or got it yet Gutters. GB is finished for home games. GB May come back for overseas tours, so lucky old you can go. The Aussies may come for a Three Test Series against England with maybe a one off game with the French. But again, this proposal is not just about internationals. It is about raising awareness, through something novel and unique, and you as a marketer should see that. I think it will have a very big impact if correctly executed and both the NRL AND RFL would benefit.
The me chap in charge of the NRL Commission seems to have a vision over and above the clubs old guard. The NRL clubs want to expand their brand, the SOO at Wembley gives them that chance to showcase their players. To secure sponsorship $ as a game we need to target the money men of London and their contacts.
Sometime I cannot way you up, and I mean that with a lot of respect for your years of passion on this site.
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6679_1399761959.png [quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow]
[quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png |
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| Quote: retirethename "Have you not heard or got it yet Gutters. GB is finished for home games. GB May come back for overseas tours, so lucky old you can go. The Aussies may come for a Three Test Series against England with maybe a one off game with the French. But again, this proposal is not just about internationals. It is about raising awareness, through something novel and unique, and you as a marketer should see that. I think it will have a very big impact if correctly executed and both the NRL AND RFL would benefit.
The me chap in charge of the NRL Commission seems to have a vision over and above the clubs old guard. The NRL clubs want to expand their brand, the SOO at Wembley gives them that chance to showcase their players. To secure sponsorship $ as a game we need to target the money men of London and their contacts.
Sometime I cannot way you up, and I mean that with a lot of respect for your years of passion on this site.'"
I'd love SoO at Wembley.....I just can't "logistically" see it happening without some serious arm bending by the ARL Commission of the NRL clubs.
Whilst there is a lot of "good will" and "good feeling" as a result of the RLWC, the NRL is still a competition that is heavily reliant on TV cash and Mr Smith and the rest of the commission have 4 years left to make more than the current 2 clubs self sufficient before they take the SoO circus to Wembley.
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| Much as I would love to see this happen this is Australia's big TV event and part of a deal worth a billion dollars. So either the TV companies over there are going to say "Sure, we'll just put it on at midnight and take the hit on the advertising revenue. No problem." or it's going to be a fourth game bolted on at the end, if not postponed to post season. Which is still fine by me but you sell this on how much it means as much as the quality of the spectacle and it diminishes the marketing effort somewhat.
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| Quote: vbfg "Much as I would love to see this happen this is Australia's big TV event and part of a deal worth a billion dollars. So either the TV companies over there are going to say "Sure, we'll just put it on at midnight and take the hit on the advertising revenue. No problem." or it's going to be a fourth game bolted on at the end, if not postponed to post season. Which is still fine by me but you sell this on how much it means as much as the quality of the spectacle and it diminishes the marketing effort somewhat.'"
As I have already pointed out, playing the SoO in late May at noon London time will ensure 9pm Sydney-Brisbane kickoff. That would be an hour later than now occurs on Wednesday night, but would be more acceptable because it is Saturday night (and thus the kids can stay up late to watch it). Playing it at 12.30 pm London kickoff would possibly be OK in Australia because the pre-match coverage would start at 9pm, kickoff at 9.30 pm, and the game would finish at 11.15 pm. Maybe Channel 9 would agree.
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| Quote: JEAN CAPDOUZE "As I have already pointed out, playing the SoO in late May at noon London time will ensure 9pm Sydney-Brisbane kickoff. That would be an hour later than now occurs on Wednesday night, but would be more acceptable because it is Saturday night (and thus the kids can stay up late to watch it). Playing it at 12.30 pm London kickoff would possibly be OK in Australia because the pre-match coverage would start at 9pm, kickoff at 9.30 pm, and the game would finish at 11.15 pm. Maybe Channel 9 would agree.'"
My apologies, I neglected to hang on your every word.
The problem with this is it limits the ticket buying public to people already in London and those prepared to book a hotel for the night before.
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| Reading some of these responses you'd think a sports competition having self-interest was the world's greatest sin.
State of Origin would be massive. It's the one rugby league event that people in the UK who don't even like or know much about rugby league will watch, despite some of the drivel posted in this thread suggesting otherwise. I'd go as far as saying that outside of world cups it probably draws more interest from casual sports fans than some international games do.
If international rugby league is truly the way forward and there is a market for it then where is the conflict here? From the sounds of some of you, Dunbar for example, you talk up internationals but sound petrified that origin would take attention away from them. If the UK care about international games and not origin then what are you worried about? If it's a failure then it's a failure for the NRL. So what. Stop whinging.
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| Quote: gutterfax "when it was on UK SKY it drew 100k viewers......'"
On a Wednesday morning. Put the SL grand final or rugby league world cup final on Sky on a wednesday morning and lets see how much better it rates.
You think Aus - NZ would have rated much better at 11am middle of the week when most the country are at work?
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| i would schedule the second game of the series in london - there will be something riding on it (and to be fair even after a 2 - 0 series lead the 3rd game would stilll mean something), but the chance for one of the teams to pull level or go and take the series would set it up nicely. also there may be some juicy hype arising out of game 1 that could be used to market it - even though i think it would be close to a sell out anyway.
SOO is always a bit imbalanced by having 2 games in either queensland or nsw - a game on neutral soil would balance it up
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| Quote: ChrisGS "Reading some of these responses you'd think a sports competition having self-interest was the world's greatest sin.
State of Origin would be massive. It's the one rugby league event that people in the UK who don't even like or know much about rugby league will watch, despite some of the drivel posted in this thread suggesting otherwise. I'd go as far as saying that outside of world cups it probably draws more interest from casual sports fans than some international games do.
If international rugby league is truly the way forward and there is a market for it then where is the conflict here? From the sounds of some of you, Dunbar for example, you talk up internationals but sound petrified that origin would take attention away from them. If the UK care about international games and not origin then what are you worried about? If it's a failure then it's a failure for the NRL. So what. Stop whinging.'"
Most people I talk to that don't have much knowledge or interest in rugby league don't have a clue about State of Origin. They have no idea what it is.
They don't need to know anything about rugby league to back England against Australia or New Zealand.
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