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| Quote: MrPhilb "Like i said Maths obviously isn't your strong point, the last 5 winners of thew Challenge cup have been
2006 - Saints
2007 - Saints
2008 - Saints
2009 - Warrington
2010 - Warrington'"
2010 is the year, 5 years a go it was 2005.
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| Quote: pmarrow "I suppose you have a problem with us signing the likes of Fitzgibbon and O Meley, despite the fact that there professionalism and guidance have undoubtley helped our younger players just get better and better. Houghton would be nowhere near the player he is today if he hadn't have played under Berrigan.'"
That's not my point at all. I see the point of having quality players around for English players to learn from, my problem with Hull KR and teams like Bradford is bringing in overseas players for the sake of it who are average. Ben Fisher and Rhys Lovegrove are very average players, are you telling me Scott Wheeldon learns anything from Lovegrove? Vella, Mason, Newton and Ben Galea are players I have no problem with as they add something to the competition rather than taking a place of an Englishman who is probably just as good.
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| Quote: Old_Faithful_IAKW "In terms of success I'd say they have been. In the last 5 years Hull have won a CC, got to another CC final and got to a GF. The only team who can get close to that is Wire with 2 CC wins depending on what weight you put on winning the extra CC final but not getting to a GF.'"
Your challenge cup win was 6 seasons and more than 5 years ago.
2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010. Since we came up in 2007 our average league placing has been higher than your's. (4, 11, 12, 6 vs 11, 7, 4, 7).
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| Quote: Old_Faithful_IAKW "In terms of success I'd say they have been. In the last 5 years Hull have won a CC, got to another CC final and got to a GF. The only team who can get close to that is Wire with 2 CC wins depending on what weight you put on winning the extra CC final but not getting to a GF.'" I think you need to go away and rethink when you won the CC.
Also in that time period you have been scraping the bottom of the barrel more than once.
Like I said you obviously cant look at either us our yourselves constructively.
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| Quote: Mild Rover "Your challenge cup win was 6 seasons and more than 5 years ago.
2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010. Since we came up in 2007 our average league placing has been higher than your's. (4, 11, 12, 6 vs 11, 7, 4, 7).
We've had 2 of our worst years for a long while in those years though. Fair enough if you feel that constitutes success, I'd personally much rather attend GF and CC finals. I didn't say we was within the last 5 winners of the CC, I said in the last 5 years we have attended 1 GF and 2 CC finals which is correct. The year is 2010, 5 years a go the year was 2005 and in the year 2005 we won the CC... though this discussion is highly pedantic so for arguments sake, over the last 6 years we have been one of the most succesful clubs.. better?
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| Quote: Old_Faithful_IAKW "That's not my point at all. I see the point of having quality players around for English players to learn from, my problem with Hull KR and teams like Bradford is bringing in overseas players for the sake of it who are average. Ben Fisher and Rhys Lovegrove are very average players, are you telling me Scott Wheeldon learns anything from Lovegrove? Vella, Mason, Newton and Ben Galea are players I have no problem with as they add something to the competition rather than taking a place of an Englishman who is probably just as good.'"
Scott Wheeldon is pants though, but because of the rules that are being enforced means he is still being kept in the competition because he is English. He'll never wear the international jersey so does he improve our game ? Does he lift it to the next level ? I don't think Lovegrove does either to be fair but out of the two I'd rather have Lovegrove in my team.
This is the problem we have too many people think throwing English youngsters in will solve the problem when infact it will make us worse.
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| Quote: Roverswall "I think you need to go away and rethink when you won the CC.
Also in that time period you have been scraping the bottom of the barrel more than once.
Like I said you obviously cant look at either us our yourselves constructively.
Like I said it depends how you measure success. Personally I'd rather have got to 3 finals in the last 6 seasons (5 years ) rather than just be a team who finished, on average, higher.
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| Quote: Old_Faithful_IAKW "We've had 2 of our worst years for a long while in those years though. Fair enough if you feel that constitutes success, I'd personally much rather attend GF and CC finals. I didn't say we was within the last 5 winners of the CC, I said in the last 5 years we have attended 1 GF and 2 CC finals which is correct. The year is 2010, 5 years a go the year was 2005 and in the year 2005 we won the CC... though this discussion is highly pedantic so for arguments sake, over the last 6 years we have been one of the most succesful clubs.. better?'" You have attend 1 CC in the last 5 years 3 people have now told you this are you really that thick?
In the last 5 years what have you won?
Same as us and yet going on the last 4 years we have out placed you on average.
Now look at Hudds and Warrington.
You sir are talking bollacks you are clearly just to thick to realise it.
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| Quote: pmarrow "This is the problem we have too many people think throwing English youngsters in will solve the problem when infact it will make us worse.'"
Well something needs to change because people bringing in NRL rejects will NOT help.
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| But within the last 5 years you haven't been to Cup Finals or Grand Finals. Go back 5 years from today and you've reached a cup final and a grand final. Honourable achievments but you've been slaughtered in both of those games and certainly haven't kicked on
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| Quote: Old_Faithful_IAKW "We've had 2 of our worst years for a long while in those years though. Fair enough if you feel that constitutes success, I'd personally much rather attend GF and CC finals. I didn't say we was within the last 5 winners of the CC, I said in the last 5 years we have attended 1 GF and 2 CC finals which is correct. The year is 2010, 5 years a go the year was 2005 and in the year 2005 we won the CC... though this discussion is highly pedantic so for arguments sake, over the last 6 years we have been one of the most succesful clubs.. better?'" You claimed to be in the top 4 not 'we have been one of the most succesful clubs'.
HTH
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| Quote: Old_Faithful_IAKW "Well something needs to change because people bringing in NRL rejects will NOT help.'"
The trouble is these NRL rejects are far better then any player we can produce.
The better that competion the better the players will be its simple.
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| Quote: MrPhilb "But within the last 5 years you haven't been to Cup Finals or Grand Finals. Go back 5 years from today and you've reached a cup final and thats it'"
5 years today 31st of October 2005? Jesus christ, I must have being dreaming on 14th October 2006.
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| Quote: pmarrow "The trouble is these NRL rejects are far better then any player we can produce.
The better that competion the better the players will be its simple.'"
They aren't though are they? I can name quite a few props better than Lovegrove and quite a few hookers better than Fisher.
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| Quote: Old_Faithful_IAKW "They aren't though are they? I can name quite a few props better than Lovegrove and quite a few hookers better than Fisher.'"
Which would purely be in your opinion.
However anyone can name a player that is better then somebody, try something harder like naming one from every club then you may have an arguement.
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