It's a very good point and apologies for me misunderstanding it, I felt it was important to be clear as I understood it, that as we stand we offer just an English League - and yes IF we could offer an international game then we may get rights from all over - and as Eric Perez himself indicated NATV deals in particular can be very big.

1. On the issue of developing the game in North America success in doing that - which could have come from Perez being highly successful with grid iron players being converted to professional RL players could have seen a home grown Toronto Wolfpack and led us onto home grown SL clubs in New York, Boston, Ottawa and Montreal.

2. At that point Perez predicted a big TV deal, probably even more so with six clubs so let's add Jacksonville for balance. Imagine that - a half European half North America league!!!

3. The only problem then is where do we go on the TV deal(s) after that? Does North America add Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, Halifax Nova Scotia, Los Angeles, Vancouver and Calgary to their existing six clubs, break away and capture a massive double the size and more NATV deal? They can then buy up the best players from our clubs here here whilst they further develop their own player development systems.

4. And then we die.

5. I was rightly pulled on this argument by a chap who said if North America can make Rugby League huge there and we can't, then we have to suck it up, for the good of the game itself.

6. But from where I am standing North America has failed to produce a single pro player or a cent from a TV deal, and the French can't get TV deals and just want to buy all their players from here.

7. AND SO as we are the ones who CAN make a success of RL in the Northern Hemisphere by getting a TV deal and producing quality players then Superleague needs to be an English league and the Americans and French should stand aside and let us make the best of the game here.

8. Because the bottom line is the more you bring in overseas clubs that cannot develop players or find a paying TV deal and get rid of clubs that DO produce players and get TV deals (that's how it's working Catalans up Widnes down, TWP up London down) the more you destroy the player development system and the more you lose your value to English broadcasters. Nobody then wins and RL is lost altogether...... Superleague won't work with just six English clubs. Nobody then wins.

9. This is why I don't feel I am myopic quite the reverse "foreseeing"?

TWP, only 18 players available, SBW not fit for another three weeks and TWP asking for cap dispensation... brilliant this expansion lark.

Quote: IR80 "TWP, only 18 players available, SBW not fit for another three weeks and TWP asking for cap dispensation... brilliant this expansion lark.'" it's just makes you laugh the bull they come out with what club can survive on 18 players I can see them struggling all season, resting SBW just in case he pulls something https://www.skysports.com/rugby-league/ ... nto-action

Quote: IR80 "TWP, only 18 players available, SBW not fit for another three weeks and TWP asking for cap dispensation... brilliant this expansion lark.'" it's just makes you laugh the bull they come out with what club can survive on 18 players I can see them struggling all season, resting SBW just in case he pulls something https://www.skysports.com/rugby-league/ ... nto-action

Nope, no bells ringing, can you give an example of a SL side that couldn't or struggled to field a team?

Championship teams, iirc Fev had quite a few issues and are the beneficiaries of dual reg.

so, not SL clubs asking for salarly cap dispensation then?

its in the read he only had 18 to select from

Thanks but you will have to bear with me - does that mean nine are on the injury list?

Don't know to be truthful it's only come to light when he started whinging the other day saying they are up to the cap already, not lot of forward thinking king going on there

Why would there be any forward thinking given the lack of welcome from the SL chairmen, and only a two year guarantee of an SL place dependent on staying up.

It appears loan players have gone like Higson, Fash and Logan, with Worthington on a loan deal to Fev. Higson and Krasniqi seem to have gone back to their original clubs here. Leigh and London. Rawsthorne, Beswick and Brierley left for clubs here, and Sims retired. Wheeler appears to be a long term injury casualty. So that's 11 players off the playing roster with only really Singleton and Cunningham signing up as new players.

I am completely lost on any idea they have spent up to the cap? How can Eleven players out and two players in equate to the salary cap being exhausted????


It does appear (as happens) TWP came to the player recruitment point late as they didn't get the nod for SL until they won the right to go up early October. Everyone who was anyone was signed up, and yes I suppose there were many a fringe SL player and many a decent Championship player who could have at least padded out a thin squad, but you have to ask what's in it for them?? Part time lads can't be signing professional thus losing their day jobs just to pad out TWP's squad for a year or two. Professionals still without a club may be without a marriage if they are constantly jetting off to North America.

Loanees won't be available until the season is well underway and some players realise they aren't getting games......But hang on - fringe players will all be playing reserves so will there be any loanees??.

There is something VERY fishy going on here and I read that players have been told to keep it shut as regards any comments on TWP.

ANYWAY Jean and Steph will still be behind the future of the game that is the mighty Toronto Wolfpack. Maybe they fancy a game?

According to the delusional idiot that is McDermott SL [ineeds[/i toronto, they are a [ispecial[/i case and should get a share of central funding.

Oh, and it seems a game against Australia is available if you can buy the fixture.

I am most grateful for your detailed and explanatory post. I also feel honoured as you don't appear to post much!! This site can only get better if more facts and realities are provided. Please post more!!

I'm currently looking at a thread about how Toronto will host Australia on their way to play tests here?? Does that mean they will play them? How on earth can they give them a game when it appears they don't have enough players to give anyone much of a game now, let alone late in the season. Still as you very cleverly perceive this is a typical Toronto stunt that is all show and no substance....