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| Quote: LeedsDave "Quality quote from Burrow
"Well you don't mind if you lose to a better team but the manner of thst defeat is disappointing"'"
That's a shame because I generally like Burrow, but nobody likes sour grapes. Maybe your classy coach is rubbing off on him?
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| Quote: Big Jim Slade "You really do need to watch it again. It's really very simple, nobody was obstructed. At all. Not a tiny bit. Tomkins made a bad read, asked the ref to bail him out and Silverwood obliged, end of story. If that's the correct decision then say goodbye to dummy runners, because now all you have to do is run in to them and you'll get a penalty.'"
This is what Wigan do very well by creating an obstruction in there favour, they did it quite a lot last season. They also milk situations when the ref has got his "eye off the ball", example was Micky Mc playing the ball into Wilkins face with his shins who was down on the floor with a blood head injury, think that was Silverwood, who only saw an "interference" play the ball and penalised the injured player.
We see a lot of instances where all players make false claims and the referee is forced into making a judgement which results in inconsistencies, smart play or a con play, depending which side you are on?
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| Quote: TheElectricGlidingWarrior " Maybe your classy coach is rubbing off on him?'"
From a neutral perspective, McDermott has a lot more tact about him than the Great Ape of Lancashire.
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| Quote: rochdale warrior "Well even " the Expert " Mr Cummins confirmed the decision was correct and had to explain to the two Sky muppets the rule much to their disappointment'"
Except he explained the 2014 interpretation, not the 2015 one.
Not much point having a supposed expert on the laws of the game sat in the commentary box if he doesn't even bother to keep his own understanding of them up to date.
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| Quote: jools "
Watkins shoved his hands in the air and gave himself up.
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Indeed he did
Because everyone on here is familiar with the rules, right? Tomkins was…
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| Quote: Big Jim Slade "This comes closest to my feelings on it, though I'd add that the video ref has no excuse for deciding that there was an obstruction as there clearly was not. The on field ref making a call has turned what was a lottery into a fixed game - if he'd sent that up as a Try it would have stood - so we're actually further away from the correct decisions being made rather than closer as was intended.
That decision actually highlighted my biggest issue with the VR in the game these days, that defensive foulplay is often completely ignored. When checking for try/no try the first question that should always be asked is 'Were the defending team onside?' if they weren't or the markers were not square then that is always the first offence and in the event of a no try decision it should be a penalty to the attacking side, yet they never check. Let's live in a fantasy world where obstruction was the right call, the next play should have been penalty to Leeds as half the Wigan side were offside, instead we get no try and have to hand over the ball. that's not right.'"
Spot on.
The system is a mess.
Also, had McGuire been tackled short and Leeds scored on the next play that would have been fine even though silverwood thought there was an obstruction
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| Quote: Big Jim Slade "You really do need to watch it again. It's really very simple, nobody was obstructed. At all. Not a tiny bit. Tomkins made a bad read, asked the ref to bail him out and Silverwood obliged, end of story. If that's the correct decision then say goodbye to dummy runners, because now all you have to do is run in to them and you'll get a penalty.'"
It's a tight one, but you can't run behind your man that close to the defensive line and Watkins was already well in front of Singleton when he got the ball. It's close enough that I can understand why you'd be livid but it was the right decision.
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| Quote: EHW "not bent, just incompetent.
As stated throughout this thread, if he thought it was an obstruction he should have given the penalty in the first instance, not let play go on. He obviously didn't think it was an obstruction or worthy of a penalty, or he would have penalised it straight away rather than let Leeds play on. His decision making in sending it upstairs as a no-Try was flawed. The only 2 options he has in that situation is to send it up as a Try, or actually award the try.
I wonder what would the decision have been if he had sent it up as a Try. Probably would have been given the benefit of the doubt, and given.'"
Exactly. I reckon if he sent it upstairs as a try then the VR would've given it. That he took so long makes me think he didn't agree with the call as he could've said no try much sooner but probably didn't think is was and would've liked to have give it. The VR is now doing his job with one arm tied behind his back essentially as they seem forced to go with the on field decision unless 100% clear otherwise. Don't know what the numbers are but I've not seen many decisions reversed this year. Two Hudds tries vs Cas were sent up as tries that wouldn't have been awarded under the old system or if they'd been sent up as no tries....but they were sent up as tries and thus stuck with that decision.
Go back to the old system of just sending it up to the VR without an on-field decision, was much better IMO. You still got iffy calls last year because of the controversy around obstruction but at least they were making the decision they think is correct, not siding with the on field ref because they felt they had to.
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| Quote: Judder Man "This is what Wigan do very well by creating an obstruction in there favour, they did it quite a lot last season. They also milk situations when the ref has got his "eye off the ball", example was Micky Mc playing the ball into Wilkins face with his shins who was down on the floor with a blood head injury, think that was Silverwood, who only saw an "interference" play the ball and penalised the injured player.
We see a lot of instances where all players make false claims and the referee is forced into making a judgement which results in inconsistencies, smart play or a con play, depending which side you are on?'"
If you can get away with it then why not? Every team does it.
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| Quote: PurpleCheeseWarrior "If you can get away with it then why not?'"
Ahh, the Wigan motto.
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| Quote: PurpleCheeseWarrior "It's a tight one, but you can't run behind your man that close to the defensive line and Watkins was already well in front of Singleton when he got the ball. It's close enough that I can understand why you'd be livid but it was the right decision.'"
For the umpteenth time for the hard of understanding, it doesn't matter where he runs if no defender is impeded.
Joel Tompkins was not impeded, despite his Oscar worthy performance to pretend he was. Therefore it's not obstruction.
Always helps if you understand the laws you're trying to apply.
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| Quote: ThePrinter "Exactly. I reckon if he sent it upstairs as a try then the VR would've given it. That he took so long makes me think he didn't agree with the call as he could've said no try much sooner but probably didn't think is was and would've liked to have give it. The VR is now doing his job with one arm tied behind his back essentially as they seem forced to go with the on field decision unless 100% clear otherwise. Don't know what the numbers are but I've not seen many decisions reversed this year. Two Hudds tries vs Cas were sent up as tries that wouldn't have been awarded under the old system or if they'd been sent up as no tries....but they were sent up as tries and thus stuck with that decision.
Go back to the old system of just sending it up to the VR without an on-field decision, was much better IMO. You still got iffy calls last year because of the controversy around obstruction but at least they were making the decision they think is correct, not siding with the on field ref because they felt they had to.'"
I'd go back to the old system with one caveat, the ref should have to specify what he wants checking. One of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen was last year when Leeds scored a stunning last play try which the ref (poss silverwood) referred saying "is there any reason not to allow this", leading to the VR checking back through about 20 passes before deciding to disallow the try on a marginal call
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| Quote: Andy Gilder "For the umpteenth time for the hard of understanding, it doesn't matter where he runs if no defender is impeded.
Joel Tompkins was not impeded, despite his Oscar worthy performance to pretend he was. Therefore it's not obstruction.
Always helps if you understand the laws you're trying to apply.'"
It would have been awarded by the VR if no player was impeeded then surely? Oh what's that? You're a biased c**t who doesn't know what he's talking about? Thought so shhhhhhhh!
Also there's no P in Tomkins you absolute spazmoid!
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| Quote: PurpleCheeseWarrior "It would have been awarded by the VR if no player was impeeded then surely? Oh what's that? You're a biased c**t who doesn't know what he's talking about? Thought so shhhhhhhh!
Also there's no P in Tomkins you absolute spazmoid!'"
Classy response that.
Guess the school holidays have started some places.
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| Quote: Omar Little "I'd go back to the old system with one caveat, the ref should have to specify what he wants checking. One of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen was last year when Leeds scored a stunning last play try which the ref (poss silverwood) referred saying "is there any reason not to allow this", leading to the VR checking back through about 20 passes before deciding to disallow the try on a marginal call'"
I'd also add that they need to check defensive team offences once no try is given as a team that was offside (like Wigan last night) shouldn't get a penalty after a no try (first offence and all that)
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