the widnes fans on here will agree with you , even at this late stage of the process

But it isn't us making the decision is it , all widnes and Steve o Connor is doing is playing the hand dealt them

That is all any of us can now do

Widnes will be in SL in 2012 , as they are the club with the best potential to make a success of it

Very much so, I would much prefer to see P&R, even the amount of finals we lost in.. They were always fun to go to.. Given we didn't have to play the franchising game im sure the league this year would be very different..

Also on a point Hullkrforever keeps making.. You keep mentioning fev should go up etc.. You of all people should know how the playoffs from the P&R days worked and know fev could win the league hands down, Doesn't mean they should go up.. They still have to beat fax, who imo will win.. And then beat widnes / leigh / sheffield / barrow (not likely).. All Of which were very close games and given a push could go either way..

But we have competed. We are currently in the Play-Off's, having landed 5th. We never got beat by more than 20 points, do you not class that as competing ?

For a point towards a 2009-2011 License, SL Clubs had to end up in 8th place or higher.

We have done that 3 years running in our respective League.

That's being competetive.

No one likes us. We don't care.

I don't give a stuff whether anyone thinks we don't deserve Super League because we've not won the championship. We're having to sing to the RFL's tune. So no amount of crying from the likes of Wakey or HKR supporters will change that or make us believe we don't deserve our shot at Super League. Time some of you pulled your sorry backsides into 2010, P&R is dead. Hopefully the franchise system will weed some of the dross out of SL and enable properly run clubs like ours to prosper.

PS Saddened is a bitter gobe that should be taken about as seriously as Dally Messenger.

In summary

Widnes are the best equipped to get a SL franchise
SOC has played the game really well, and a game is what it is
The RFL look bigger idiots by the minute.

Well done SOC and Widnes RLFC, LOL Lewis/Wood

Two years ago most of the posters on this board were saying Widnes were robbed, they do what is asked of them and now that's open to question. Can't do right either way. Best of luck Widnes hope you get the spot you're aiming for!

The RFL look idiots because they've put in a system that requires clubs to turnover money and put in a decent system within the club in order to gain promotion?

Yes, they RFL are stupid for ensuring that clubs wanting to move up to the top of the game are ready for it...

You seriously believe that widnes have made a million pounds profit on a similar turnover that produced a million pound loss the previous year ?

Yes widnes were robbed , and they have done all that has been asked , well done widnes , as for a million profit from the same turnover that produced a million loss the previous year

Without all the facts, I doubt you will get any worthwhile answers from posters on these boards. Any hypothesis that is put forward can never be proven and it can only ever appear to be correct because there is not enough evidence to disprove it.

In other words speculation on this matter is utterly pointless.

Better to accept it for now and wait until the information, needed for a debate with fewer requirements for conjecture, is available from Companies house. Then all the Chartered Accountants on these boards can mull over it and, after much rubbing of their collective chins, we may get nearer the truth of the matter.

we didn't, we increased our turnover while reducing costs, thats what created the profit

if you want to argue about how the increases where achieved then fine, but if your going to argue, at least do it for the right reasons

Been explained loads pal, cry me a river!

Oakley doakley ,

Go on then why are they wrong? How can Workington post a profit but Widnes not a big one?