From what I've read from your 18 or so posts, your words are that defensive that you almost appear related to Sam - or perhaps you're just deeply in love with him?

Look, every club is going to back their own, but chill a bit - this isn't a hate campaign against ST.

I'm a long time Leeds fan and would love to have ST in the team, of course I would, but certainly not at the expense of Hardaker who, as has been pointed out, is a better all round full-back (again, just my opinion).

Tomkins's skills lie in his running ability, as such (and unless you change things around in your style of play that you allow him the space he needs) he's not great full back material. Without wanting to repeat myself, he's suspect under the high ball and with his one on one defence.

By the way, I understand that Tomkins was bought back to Wigan due to the high likelihood of the Marquee rule being accepted by the SL clubs. Does this make him Wigan's marquee player? Surely his salary demands would mean that Wigan would be pushing beyond the boundaries of the salary cap if he isn't. Not that Wigan would ever dream of ever doing that kind of thing, you understand.

A pie calling someone deluded? In the cult stakes you make Scientology look reasonable. Feel free to replace the l with an n! Both statements fit the bill.

Just read the last few pages regarding the comparison between Hardaker and Tomkins.

They are both very different types of fullback. Tomkins is a highly skilled, explosive fullback who can score from pretty much anywhere on the field but has question marks over his defense. Hardaker is an all round exceptional fullback, good in attack and defence in equal measure.

As a Wigan fan I would rate them both equally so the preference is down to who would fit best for the way a team plays. Tomkins fits the bill perfectly for the way Wigan play as our systems where designed around him in the first place

Far from it - I was saying that before the Warriors signed him, and said that he'd be back with his tail between his legs within two years - homesickness is a well trodden excuse!

You cant beat it. The week when Sam was available fans of every team were wetting themselves (there were threads on Wire, Saints, Leeds forums saying how should go for him). Now they are panning the guy.

Got to love the fickle rugby fan.

Need i remind you all that you all did this when Sam was with Wigan the first time, and the guy just EXCELLED! 214 tries (scored or assisted) in 125 games.

here goes a bit of the myth busting!

Sam Tomkins (2011-2013 seasons when he played only at FB)
344 tackles
63 missed tackles
18.32% miss rate
errors 85
68 games
1.25 errors per game

Hardaker (2013-15, the seasons he has played exclusively FB)
341 tackles
67 missed tackles
19.65% miss rate
73 errors
58 games
1.259 errors/game

So it seems on these Stats thats Sam's 'weakness' is better than Hardakers 'strength'.

The amount of drivel spoken about Tomkins is unreal, people talk so much about him they create myths that become truths!
give me his defence and contribution to 214 tries in 125 games any day of the week!

You may as well climb on top of your house, pull your pants round your ankles and pi$$ into the wind mate. You can't reason with people that have their own bitter agendas.

I mean, in what world is Hardaker anywhere near Sam's level ffs? Baffling.

I'd agree with the saner posts here: Hardaker is a very good player indeed, certainly the best full-back in SL, and arguably (slightly) better than Sam in defence, without quite having his attacking skills.

I was hoping Sam had a good full season in the NRL this year; let's not forget last season was his rookie year in the most exposed position on the field. I hope and expect that he would improve in his second year, and come back an (even) better player than he left.

Let's look at this statement.
Firstly, you agree that from an NZ Warriors perspective, he hasn't worked out "investment" wise. This I can agree with given the amount we were supposed to be paying him, 13 tries is a poor return, not to mention 9th place.
But...you continue that this is PURELY down to him:

a/coming home early.

If he's not a failure, then why is he coming home early? Auckland, as much as I dislike the place, is one the best places on the planet to live according to most of the lifestyle type surveys that get bandied about from time to time and if a young man can't "suck it up" to earn good wedge for 4 years whilst sticking to a contract that he signed, then I am afraid that homesickness just doesn't cut the mustard. Simply put, he didn't like the fact he wasn't the #1 star at the club.....IMO he's maybe in the top 5 stars at the club.

b/ His injuries.

If you're going to ply your trade in the toughest comp on the planet, then knocks are going to happen. Problem is he's on his 3rd different injury this year and if I said 13 tries in his first season was a bad ROI for the club, then his appearances thus far this year are a disaster. Injury prone players from the NRL generally end up in Superleague........need I say any more on that topic other than without him this year we're no better or worse.

Warriors fans are neither bothered or upset that he is leaving us next year. He is a liability in defence and we now have enough "play makers" signed for 2016 to feed our outside backs and make us serious contenders. Sam will return to Wigan and be hailed the returning hero by the Wigan faithful, but the reality is I was underwhelmed when we signed him and am even less concerned that he's off home after delivering very little.

Oy massive cult! Listen to last weeks and this weeks TWIL for Tomkins real talk.

No

For me Tomkins is a great player who happens to play FB.

Hardaker is a very good and better and more natural FB than Tomkins.

Weirdly even though Hardaker is the better FB, Tomkins is the better player. It's Hardaker natural position really, whereas it's not Tomkins natural position even though he's been massively successful there (part of the reason he hasn't quite had the impact in Internationals there because the setup isn't focused as heavily on him).

Tomkins major attributes when playing FB could be replicated if he played in the halves if done properly with the right halfback partner. Whereas Hardaker key attributes are fully about playing FB. For me I think part of the thinking of the move to FB for Tomkins was originally to keep him being targeted in the defensive line.

If Tomkins had Hardaker's defence, positioning and catching or Hardaker had Tomkins attacking ability you'd have one ridiclously incredible player.

Blinkers on!

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