Ellis running wide on good angles - he never did that for Wakefield or Leeds did he?

I cannot see a single facet of their game that the 'modern coaching with high quality back room staff' have added to Burgess or Ellis

The long term health of the English national team is dependent in the strength of the game in the UK not sending three or four players to Australia each generation

You still dont get it do you. The only time a hooker should be scooting from Dummy half is when his forwards have got the roll on and there has been a quick play the ball, leaving the defensive line at sixes and sevens. This never happened today.

If you actually read what I put instead of shooting your troll mouth off, you'd notice what I'd put. I.e that it wasn't the lack of running, more the lack of creativity and direction. Bar the admitedly excellent pass to Burgess he did nothing bar drop it onto the next forward. Far too predictable at this level.

Again the whole team underperformed from what we all know they can produce, the problem isnt with the players picked, the team on the park COULD have beaten Aus, but needed the right preparation, build up and most importantly coaching.

Poor strategising and man magement seem to be the hallmark of MacNamara at Bradford and now England

Lack of understanding between key players meaning passes go to ground for whatever reason, or one defender moves up as the other waits, leaving gaps = we MUST play more than one or two internationals a season.

Just to point out, but the try people are blaming Cudjoe for is actually down to O'Loughlin, Cudjoe and his winger did perfectly, moving up quickly to meet the attack and stop the move dead.

O'Loughlin stood and watched as the Aussie line attacked and it was the gap he left they scored through.

The players on the park COULD NOT beat Australia in a game that matters. We have only ever beaten them in dead rubbers or games where they are confident of prevailing overall.

We cannot defend properly. That is not something a coach can fix, it's in the players themselves. If you look at what Sheens said about Ellis, that they had to spend months rewiring his entire defensive effort because he was so naive. Now Ellis is supposed to be one of our best players. It would take Sheens a decade to sort out Ryan Atkins' defensive problems.

Why does everyone keep saying we under performed? That players are a lot better than what they showed today?
Are they really any better? Or are the Aussies & NZ actually that much better than us. We can't keep saying players underperformed year in year and and justify archaic coaching techniques based on 1 game every 4 years we pull out of the bag. Michael Maguire went to Wigan this year and brought a new approach to coaching and took the same players and made them champions. This is what we need to do throughout Rugby League. A new modern approach to the game has to be brought in. The Mcnamaras, Mcdermotts and Lowes of this game need to be replaced. The brass at HQ need to be shipped out and the game needs to be looked at properly by people who want to bring the game forward.

Putting all our best players into the NRL is not the answer though, it would just weaken Superleague and create a void in the competion to be be filled in 2nd rate overseas players and young english players not ready for the big time.
The answer is to make Superleague more intense week in week out, we did have a spell of it around 2005/2006, then the RFL messed around with how the game should be played and the result is what we have today.

As someone who watches Briscoe week in week out I have been a little disappointed tbh. The knock on aside he hasn't really done anything wrong but I agree he needs to come and do some more work. When he did carry the ball yesterday he posed problems for their pack, almost breaking clear through from a kick return and he was unlucky that the ref called his pass to Cudjoe forward. It seems to me though that rather than it being an issue with his workrate it's more to do with confidence, he avarages over 10 carries a game for Hull and I feel he often comes looking for a run and allows himself to be shoved out of the way. He needs to be less passive and get in there more. I also think that stat of 3 carries is rubbish though. Let's not forget that he's been the youngest player on the field for both games, give him time and he will be a top class player.

As for Goulding I think he also faired well and I would rather pick him than Hall tbh. However he's just a solid winger and I can't imagine him ever coming with some of the plays that Briscoe has at club level. Briscoe is raw but I believe he's the best finisher we've got in this country.

I really am gobsmacked at the general consensus that Atkins is undeniably a good player in SL. I can't watch it, so I rely and trust such a widespread opinion. At Test level, he is absolutely rubbish. I can only reason that he bottles it big time. Shenton looks 10 times the player Atkins is, I actually rate Shenton as a Test player based on this and last season's Four Nations.

I thought it was a well executed plan to send Thaiday at Atkins from the opening whistle. If Atkins hadn't bottled it before the game, that definitely would've sealed it.

Something I did have a bit of a laugh at was when Gallen had the ball and ran at Atkins. A couple of English players got to Gallen half a seocnd before impact, and Atkins just about side-stepped out of the way to avoid a front-on tackle, and waved his arm out instead. Gallen then grabbed his shirt and Atkins started trying to punch his grip off with an angry face, before suddenly realising that Gallen was on his way to the try-line. By then, another two English players had arrived, but lordy, I honestly can't remember seeing a more visibly scared player, ever.

He was in front of the ball. Major mistake and an invite to run right behind him, which was what was done.

Then keep an eye on Leroyd Lars (15) on Robinson's try at the start of the second half. Does the same. Over-ran, left a gap, thanks mate. Try.

TLL is used to having Dugan save his mistackles. I hold him completely blameless, it's Archer's fault.