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| Quote: wiganermike "Judging by some of his replies to a number of different posts it seems apparent that he (SmokeyTA) has not read the article. Which is worrying as he was the original poster and so started the thread and posted the link. As I said in an earlier post I think that he is either too stubborn to admit he may be wrong in his insistence that a points system would be any better than the current monetary cap or he is simply unable to understand that there are various problems with the proposed system that he cannot see but that many others can. He is the one that started the thread and posed the question "a better way?" yet he seems unable to accept that other people believe it may not be.'" Perhaps the question should have been "A better way for Leeds?" To which the obvious answer is "Yes". Which I suspect is the reason Smokey is so vociferous in his defence of it, what with Leeds currently in the mix with the "smaller" clubs in the table. It must be quite painful falling from such a high horse. Still, he is conststent if nothing else.
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the idea of a points based salary cap has been discussed before this cronulla guy mentioned it it doesnt stop clubs from overspending so its a dumb idea the current nrl salary cap works well but perhaps some minor changes as are currently being discussed for cap allowances for juniors and long serving players clubs are more important than players, as is an even playing field just because rugby union or AFL want to pay millions for RL players because of a lack of their own talent doesnt mean we have to overpay as well. they all come back to league anyway
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Quote: SmokeyTA "that has already been addressed in that there would need to be a separate system for those outside the tier one nations.'" Cool so they'll join the mass ranks of experienced SL players... Quote: SmokeyTA "they would naturally need to move, having more youngsters and fewer experienced SL players would allow more 'star' players. It would be up to each club to find a balance they were comfortable with'" That's not the point. The point is that the majority of all the squads in SL will be made up of these players. There's only so many young players and so many star players (particularly as your definition of a star player is someone who has recently played for Australia, New Zealand or England). Within this group of players there will be a massive range of quality and that quality will not be evenly distributed around the clubs, it will be distributed according to willingness to spend on salaries. As this group will make up the core of the squads it will have more of an impact than the handful of star players.
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Quote: Billinge_Lump "As SBR has said, there will be players of different ability within the same points category, would Leeds pay more for these players if they wanted them, of course they would. But with your system, there would be no limit on what they could pay them. So no change to now then, apart from the fact that the teams that can pay the most can have the pick of the best players within each point range because they can pay them more.'" yes, they likely would. In fact i have no doubt they would. But it would mean they would have less of the higher points categories and more of the lower. They would be forced to. This would mean the smaller clubs would find it easier to attract more the higher points categories and more of the lower Quote: Billinge_Lump "Who said they'd try and sign someone they didn't want? Why wouldn't they want a squad man? It's less of an incentive for the player to want to move.'" They wouldnt want to pay a shed load of money + 4 points for a squad man. So they simply wouldnt pay them a shed load of money Quote: Billinge_Lump " And in the points system a smaller club still needs to pay more money to attract players, but has less chance of doing so because the big clubs can now pay them more money. So the smaller clubs either settle for players within each points total that the big clubs don't want, or bankrupt themselves trying to compete with the increased wages. Therefore entrenching the bigger clubs position even more than now and making it easier for them to attract the better players within each points category.'" they would likely have 2nd choice of players. There isnt a system possible where smaller clubs wouldnt likely have 2nd choice. But what it would mean is that smaller clubs would have the 2nd choice of the highest standard of players. Whereas now there are very few top quality players at the smaller clubs
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Quote: dally messenger "the idea of a points based salary cap has been discussed before this cronulla guy mentioned it it doesnt stop clubs from overspending so its a dumb idea the current nrl salary cap works well but perhaps some minor changes as are currently being discussed for cap allowances for juniors and long serving players clubs are more important than players, as is an even playing field just because rugby union or AFL want to pay millions for RL players because of a lack of their own talent doesnt mean we have to overpay as well. they all come back to league anyway'" 92% of fans in Australia have seen through this form of cap and want it changing. CEO's of clubs, the players, Board members, people in charge of smaller clubs like cronulla and rich clubs like the roosters. All looking for change
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Quote: SBR "Cool so they'll join the mass ranks of experienced SL players... That's not the point. The point is that the majority of all the squads in SL will be made up of these players. There's only so many young players and so many star players (particularly as your definition of a star player is someone who has recently played for Australia, New Zealand or England). Within this group of players there will be a massive range of quality and that quality will not be evenly distributed around the clubs, it will be distributed according to willingness to spend on salaries. As this group will make up the core of the squads it will have more of an impact than the handful of star players.'" No the point is that each club will have a similar make up. 6-10 stars, 6-10 experienced players, about 10 developed players. If you invest in your youngsters and pick up your handful of stars, then the difference will come through the between 6-10 middle players, where there would be a smaller range of quality. Certainly smaller than there is now and for the foreseeable future
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Quote: SmokeyTA "No the point is that each club will have a similar make up. 6-10 stars, 6-10 experienced players, about 10 developed players. If you invest in your youngsters and pick up your handful of stars, then the difference will come through the between 6-10 middle players, where there would be a smaller range of quality. Certainly smaller than there is now and for the foreseeable future'" So that's between 84 and 140 'stars'. Players who have recently played for Australia, New Zealand or England. Something doesn't quite add up here.
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Quote: SmokeyTA "92% of fans in Australia have seen through this form of cap and want it changing. CEO's of clubs, the players, Board members, people in charge of smaller clubs like cronulla and rich clubs like the roosters. All looking for change'" all 16 clubs were in favour of penalizing the storm all clubs favour the current cap but are looking at some minor changes
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