That means you would have to make a choice between certain teams that cannot be split. IMO we need to go to 16 teams eventually.

Best clubs we have are

Wigan
Leeds
Hull FC
Warrington
Saints
Bradford
Hull KR
Catalans

These are the clubs up to standard IMO.

The rest either dont get the crowds, dont have sufficient plans for development of stadium issues or don't perform on the pitch.

Castleford in a new stadium would move into this top 8 and Hudds with bigger crowds would also move up.

These top clubs need to lead the way, especially Wigan, Leeds and Hull FC they have the biggest potential for huge crowds and Warrington and Saints (with a new stadium) are almost there.

Catalans also have huge potential but need the stadium.

These clubs need to improve to get the smaller ones to catch up.

Which team do you support

So you agree then , we only have 8 true SL clubs , the rest are way behind

castleford are no worse than Hull KR.
We have about 11 SL quality clubs, only Salford and Celtic are really lagging at the moment.
Warrington and Saints' crowds aren't good enough at all, especially Saints

Wakefield , Quins , Cas , Salford , Celtic , none of these are any better than Widnes now or even potentially Fax , Fev , Barrow , Haven or Leigh with 3 years of SL behind them

Yes but thats not the point. Putting Castleford and Wakey and Quins in the league below will move them backwards. We need to stick with them. These 3 teams along with Hudds need to be dragged up to the right standard by continuing developing in super league. Widnes IMO are now ready to step up once they have been in super league for a few years.

minority sport in over saturated areas, we're screwed really lets admit it

Cas average more than them all and a LOT more than some of those could get, Salford and Celtic I agree, but Celtics inclusion is obvious..for now. Quins have a top stadium, just lack the fanbase but crowds arent everything. How Quins arent a SL standard club I dont know. Wakefield are running it close but their youth development is pretty good and the playing squad is this year good, stadium for Cas and Wakey is definately an issue but this year they've performed well enough to a SL standard and with plenty of British players

This propsal is nothing to do with barrow.

Town and haven have a combined total of 2,500 - 3,000 regular fans.
A year ago I asked the fans of town and haven on their websites about this and half said they'd support a new team playing in superleague, as well as continuing with their current one. That's pretty amazing given the rivalry, etc.


More imprtantly, the two boroughs have a combined population of 170,000.
We all know how popular RL is in the area, it's the 167,000 people who live there but don't follow either of the two clubs (for a variety of reasons) that would make up the support for the new club. Those are the people who's opinion really matters.

RL needs a very rich benefactor (other than sky) to market the hell out of it.

Exciting game not being sold to the masses

Yes I am fully aware what being in a lower league does to your club , especially when you cannot climb out of it

Are they developing ? , are their crowds growing ? , are they able to stand outside a new or partly built stadium ? , could they stand a drop in the SKY revenue ?

Very true!

What professional sports club in the modern world couldnt?
I mean..if we want to highlight the point...lets look at Leigh!
Wakey have had a disappointing year for crowds after a good 2008, Cas have done alright following a year of finishing bottom.
We need to see where it's at in a couple of years but as of right now, neither are going anywhere