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Quote: Cas Till I Die "Why reward 2/3/4 also ??? Your rewarding failure. It's not like they have won anything.'"


Except they finished higher then the rest. 1/2/3/4 get one more home game than 5/6/7/8 for finishing higher. I don't see anything wrong with that. To suggest 5/6/7/8 should have more rewards and chances then they have got, now that would be rewarding mediocrity.

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Quote: Barrie's Glass Eye "In my mind this new system is actually more closed than either of the two previous models.

Right now we are asking small clubs on small budgets to try and compete against SL teams for a long period with little time for proper preparation due to uncertainty. It is going to be extremely hard for most of the championship chubs to come up, especially without over stretching themselves or being bankrolled. This system gives the illusion of promition but IMO is the least likely and also least safe way of providing it.

1 up 1 down works, is a genuine reward for a great season, and once a team knows they are going up they have some time to prep. Obviously the main issue with this is the potential for Yo-Yo clubs.

IMO franchising done right is the best choice for promotion/expansion is applied fairly and consistently. Lay out a very clear set of guidelines and once a club is hitting all or the majority let them through the door. This gives Championship proper targets which should be good for them and the game long term, while hopefully putting less stress on them long term.

All I know is the current system is a bit mad, and IMO promotes short term is amongst the top of the championship and bottom of SL, this needs to be avoided if we ever wish to develop our great game.'"


This format is as good as it can get for the championship teams. Think about it. For a third of the season they get more regular games against super league opposition rather than just the odd potential CC game here and there, and they get a boost in income. Not only that, but one championship team is pretty much guaranteed to be a game away from super league (unless 4th and 5th place happened to be SL teams).

We've never had one format that people agree with. What happens is with every format people think about the downsides, then when a new format is brought in they bemoan the downsides of the new format while retrospectively fondly recalling the good points of the old format they previously bemoaned.

Round and round we go.

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Quote: Willzay "Except they finished higher then the rest. 1/2/3/4 get one more home game than 5/6/7/8 for finishing higher. I don't see anything wrong with that. To suggest 5/6/7/8 should have more rewards and chances then they have got, now that would be rewarding mediocrity.'"


They finished higher than the rest ??? That could be said about every club in the rl pyramid barring the bottom of championship one.

Anyone been watching the olympics ??? How many medals have we seen for finishing 4th ???

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Sigh.

I don't see anything wrong with the current setup regarding the Super 8s and I don't see why 5/6/7/8 should get more rewards/chances. They weren't good enough to get into the top four in the regular season but they did good enough to finish ahead of the rest.

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Quote: FlexWheeler "This format is as good as it can get for the championship teams. Think about it. For a third of the season they get more regular games against super league opposition rather than just the odd potential CC game here and there, and they get a boost in income. Not only that, but one championship team is pretty much guaranteed to be a game away from super league (unless 4th and 5th place happened to be SL teams).

We've never had one format that people agree with. What happens is with every format people think about the downsides, then when a new format is brought in they bemoan the downsides of the new format while retrospectively fondly recalling the good points of the old format they previously bemoaned.

Round and round we go.'"


I understand where your coming from, and it's a fair point regarding extra income from playing SL teams, but if that income is wasted chasing the SL dream, rather than improving the club, is it actually a benefit? And while there in with a chance it is just that, now knowing if your going up, or conversely down must wreak havoc with club finances not to mention individual players, and provides no basis for long term planning.

And for what it's worth, I always liked the franchising system, we saw a lot of young players come through in that period. Even the disaster which was the crusaders yielded some players that are still benefiting SL today.

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Quote: Willzay "Sigh.

I don't see anything wrong with the current setup regarding the Super 8s and I don't see why 5/6/7/8 should get more rewards/chances. They weren't good enough to get into the top four in the regular season but they did good enough to finish ahead of the rest.'"


I do, it's meant to be play off time and at least 50 percent of the games are meaningless. Looking forward to Hull vs Widnes tonight ??? Na me neither

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Quote: Cas Till I Die "I do, it's meant to be play off time and at least 50 percent of the games are meaningless. Looking forward to Hull vs Widnes tonight ??? Na me neither'"


Is that down to the system though and not some of the teams inability to win games in the regular season to bridge the gap? Therefore by making each game in the eight more valuable. For example, if Wakefield had won big matches like Salford away, Hull KR and Leeds home we would've been closer to the top four. That's not down to the system that's down to Wakey being outplayed and at the same time being crap.

I can't say I am looking forward to Hll vs Widnes but at the same time I would not be surprised if it was a good match.

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And has been said countless times, there will be plenty of dead rubbers. Not just in rugby league, but in Union and football as well.

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Quote: Cas Till I Die "I do, it's meant to be play off time and at least 50 percent of the games are meaningless. Looking forward to Hull vs Widnes tonight ??? Na me neither'"

Since when did the play offs last more than 2 months? The super 8 isn't the play offs.

Hull have one eye on the LLS and one eye on Wembley. Fair chance some of their players could be rested. Widnes, one their unique pitch, gave Hull a pasting last time their, Hull looking to avenge that loss.

But of course many in the RL fraternity are class just about bone dry..........

Anything for a moan icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Cas Till I Die "I do, it's meant to be play off time and at least 50 percent of the games are meaningless. Looking forward to Hull vs Widnes tonight ??? Na me neither'"


Least in the old setup there was a glimmer of an outsider in play offs causing a shock.

I remember Catalan nearly doing it. Granted we saw more blow outs then competitive games but there was a chance.

If we had straight play offs people would be calling Castleford the dark horses as they can beat anyone on there day.

Instead we have a cas side who will win games but won't actually get anywhere. I understand the argument that they should have been better in regular season but it just seems like the super 8's is a waste of time outside the top 5.

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Quote: kobashi "Least in the old setup there was a glimmer of an outsider in play offs causing a shock.

I remember Catalan nearly doing it. Granted we saw more blow outs then competitive games but there was a chance.

If we had straight play offs people would be calling Castleford the dark horses as they can beat anyone on there day.

Instead we have a cas side who will win games but won't actually get anywhere. I understand the argument that they should have been better in regular season but it just seems like the super 8's is a waste of time outside the top 5.'"

The problem with the old set up was that when the business time came, the big sides stepped up and blew the others away most of the time. This would be negated by improving the bottom of SL and bringing it up to the level of the top of SL.

But that is hard. So we tried bringing down the top of SL to the bottom, that didnt really work because even as wages equalised, big clubs could offer success, something others couldnt.

So when we decided that was to hard we gave up trying to improve standards and brought this nonsense in with the idea being if we keep pretending that there is something to play for people wouldnt notice that largely they werent playing for anything of any importance and the play-offs are now over before they have even really started.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "The problem with the old set up was that when the business time came, the big sides stepped up and blew the others away most of the time. This would be negated by improving the bottom of SL and bringing it up to the level of the top of SL.

But that is hard. So we tried bringing down the top of SL to the bottom, that didnt really work because even as wages equalised, big clubs could offer success, something others couldnt.

So when we decided that was to hard we gave up trying to improve standards and brought this nonsense in with the idea being if we keep pretending that there is something to play for people wouldnt notice that largely they werent playing for anything of any importance and the play-offs are now over before they have even really started.'"


As far as bringing the top down to the bottom, Leeds did really well this season icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: wrencat1873 "As far as bringing the top down to the bottom, Leeds did really well this season We have been utterly, utterly terrible this year. Yet have just beaten the top team in successive weeks. The standard of the entire league this year has been atrocious.

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Quote: SmokeyTA " and the play-offs are now over before they have even really started.'"


The playoffs don't start for another 7 weeks.

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Quote: ThePrinter "The playoffs don't start for another 7 weeks.'"

Erm, well done on counting i guess.

While you are at it, can you tell us how long they last?

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