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| Quote: Willzay "Sacrificing sporting fairness so that the RFL can appear to be competent in attracting large crowds is IMO a very weak mentality. So what if JSS doesn't fill up? It never does on any other televised game whether it be a SL semi final or a Challenge Cup match. It is a football ground for football crowds.'"
Having dug into it, I'm pretty sure that the problem is the Giants. Here's an interview with Ken Davy from last January.
On page 5 of this
rlhttps://4fsfanzine.giantssupporters.co.uk/Issues/Issue%206.pdfrl
Quote: Willzay "Finally just a brief word about the World Club Championship. When we are the Grand Final Winners we will be delighted to participate in what we believe is a really meaningful and important fixture. It is great to see the top club from each hemisphere go toe to toe for the right to be called the
World Club Champions.
We do not believe however that this importance extends to the matches between the 2nd and 3rd clubs. Quite simply we cannot see its merit as a meaningful game.'"
Sorry to say, but it looks like this one is at the hands of the Giants.
People wonder why the team keeps bottling the big games. It's because the whole culture of the club is one of timidity and weakness. Davy is deluded if he thinks that attitude will lead the club to a Grand Final win. The attitude also explains why the club doesn't even try to grow it's crowds despite years of stagnation and endless criticism.
I was brought up to believe that it's okay to fail, as long as you try your best and learn from your mistakes. It's the trying that counts. I don't see the Giants trying here. Too scared to put their head over the parapet and play with the big boys. The fans deserve better. The players deserve better.
I'm so disappointed by the events of the last twenty four hours. It's revealed to me what an unambitious operation the Giants really are.
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[b:2boqkfe7][color=#800000:2boqkfe7]WIGAN RLFC - SL ERA
WORLD CLUB CHAMPIONS 2017 & 2024
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CHALLENGE CUP FINAL WINNERS 2002, 2011, 2013, 2022 & 2024
LEAGUE LEADERS CHAMPIONS 2010, 2012, 2020, 2023 & 2024
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WOMEN’S GRAND FINAL WINNERS 2018
BEST SUPPORTED CLUB OF THE YEAR 2010, 2011, 2012 & 2024
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| Quote: MattyB "www.wiganwarriors.com/news/2015-10-08-world-club-series
Saints are in due to their two semi final appearances, their history in the WCC and the fact that they will add value to next year's competition.'"
Sounds to me like a cock and bull story made up to cover the fact that the club that did qualify hasn't got the balls to stand up and compete.
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| Quote: MattyB "www.wiganwarriors.com/news/2015-10-08-world-club-series
Saints are in due to their two semi final appearances, their history in the WCC and the fact that they will add value to next year's competition.'"
Quite right.I don't see how people can really argue this 3rd spot situation which is the RFL's decision now due to one club winning more than one of the trophies. If Huddersfield had won one of the pieces of silverware required this season to enter the WCS and then been snubbed, then they have every right to kick up a fuss imo.They should be using this now as extra motivation, if any is needed, to go and shake off that chokers tag and win a pot next year and gain entry on true merit, not through the back door as a reward for being the best of the also rans.
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[b:2boqkfe7][color=#800000:2boqkfe7]WIGAN RLFC - SL ERA
WORLD CLUB CHAMPIONS 2017 & 2024
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CHALLENGE CUP FINAL WINNERS 2002, 2011, 2013, 2022 & 2024
LEAGUE LEADERS CHAMPIONS 2010, 2012, 2020, 2023 & 2024
ACADEMY GRAND FINAL WINNERS 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2017, 2018, 2019 & 2024
WOMEN’S GRAND FINAL WINNERS 2018
BEST SUPPORTED CLUB OF THE YEAR 2010, 2011, 2012 & 2024
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| Put it down to attitude, look at the difference between Ken Davy's quote above and Ian Lenagan's below:
Ian Lenagan, Wigan Warriors Chairman said: “The inaugural World Club Series last year was a great success. Over 20,000 people attended our game with Brisbane Broncos, the highest of the series, and we plan to put on another special night at the DW Stadium in 2016.
“The Wigan Club has a long affinity with this competition and the team will be giving it their all on Saturday night at the Grand Final to be be involved in the main event this year.”
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| Saying Saints should be in the WCC because of former glory is like saying Nottingham Forest should be in the Champions League for winning the European cup.
I also noticed that SL clubs have to foot the bill as well if they wish to participate. Why the hell should they? That money could have better use than for a glorified friendly series which will only remind us how far away SL is from NRL stand not just once but three times.
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| To be honest, it's easy for Lenegan he is preaching to the choir. There's nothing difficult about getting 20k in to the DW to watch Wigan v Brisbane.
The current WCS is a massively wasted opportunity and follows the games current example of doing nothing more than squeezing an extra couple of pounds from the same people.
When Wigan are selling out the CoM and Saints Anfield or Goodison and leeds sell out Elland Road we will have something to be proud of. Something that will get us noticed. As it is, about the same amount who watch the dead rubber RU game v Uruguay will watch all three games and RL will moan about how unfair it is that nobody cares
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| Huddersfield didn't meet the criteria, saints did, saints, can also afford to pay for the privilege of hosting it, Huddersfield can't, saints will also be able to attract enough support to make the game financially viable ,Huddersfield won't.
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| Quote: Willzay "Saying Saints should be in the WCC because of former glory is like saying Nottingham Forest should be in the Champions League for winning the European cup.
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No it isn't.Nottingham Forest played and won the European Cup 35 years ago and have done didly squat since Clough left years ago.Saints are last years champions, and are the most successful team of the SL era as well as having every bit as successful a season as Huddersfield. I really don't get the uproar on here
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| Quote: Biff Tannen "Quite right.I don't see how people can really argue this 3rd spot situation which is the RFL's decision now due to one club winning more than one of the trophies. If Huddersfield had won one of the pieces of silverware required this season to enter the WCS and then been snubbed, then they have every right to kick up a fuss imo.They should be using this now as extra motivation, if any is needed, to go and shake off that chokers tag and win a pot next year and gain entry on true merit, not through the back door as a reward for being the best of the also rans.'"
quite right!
let's hope the players take that string from around their neck come 12 months time
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| Quote: MattyB "Put it down to attitude, look at the difference between Ken Davy's quote above and Ian Lenagan's below
but then Wigan have had 20 years of success, 20 years of producing world class players, 20 years of constantly having big crowds, 20 years of having enough money to market those kind of events.
Huddersfield haven't!
one is a big, successful, global brand in terms of the sport, the other is a relatively small club which has come back from the brink of going bust numerous times, to slowly build up to where they are now, Ken Davy's attitude is that he is not prepared to risk undoing all the hard work he and the club have done the last 20 years for one game.
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| Quote: meast "quite right!
let's hope the players take that string from around their neck come 12 months time
That is the attitude your whole club should be hopefully taking. You have one more big hurdle to get over, pussy footing around in exhibition games isn't going to help you achieve that goal. Plus, it will be far sweeter playing in those games the following year having won a GF or CC
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| exactly!
as much as i would have liked to see us in the WCS, in reality they are nothing more than friendly games, the attitude of the club is the same, we will play in it when it is the champions v champions
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| Quote: meast "but then Wigan have had 20 years of success, 20 years of producing world class players, 20 years of constantly having big crowds, 20 years of having enough money to market those kind of events.
Huddersfield haven't....
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...and, it appears, don't actually want to.
If you want to be a big club, sooner or later you have to step up and perform. The club has the overall best league record in the competition over the last three years, finishing 1st, 3rd and 3rd. If they don't step up now, when will they?
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| Quote: meast "exactly!
as much as i would have liked to see us in the WCS, in reality they are nothing more than friendly games, the attitude of the club is the same, we will play in it when it is the champions v champions
The attitude of the club is appalling. If they don't step up and take control of their own destiny and choose instead to stay as a timid, little club then they'll never be champions.
The attitude of the club, when offered a match against the Roosters should be "Yes. Anytime, anyplace. We'll take them on right now if you like"
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