Because I've been every year. Why would that not be obvious?

This.

Anyone who travelled to see Leeds in Perpignan a few years ago will probably be aware of a small band of idiots who managed to spoil a very well run BBQ event with their moronic behaviour. They didn't act like prats because they have been drinking (plenty of us had been drinking), they acted like prats because they were prats.

There were 85,000 people at Wembley yesterday, many of them who will have been on the ale at some point during the day, and very few problems. The only time I saw a police officer all day was walking back along Olympic Way to Wembley Park station (compare that with Leeds United's trip a few years ago).

Unfortunately, we will always have idiots walk among us. When you have a stadium that is largely staffed by disinterested teenagers working for a security agency for £5.50 an hour, you are going to have these incidents occur.

I don't think the disinterested staff caused the problem and the guys in the light blue jackets were quick at stopping it.

I wonder if any fines will be dished out to clubs, or is that reserved for Cas?

Warrington fans are a disgrace to Rugby League etc.

Looked like a decent ruck, I could see punches being thrown from my seat in the opposite stand.

Didn't come across any trouble really, apart from a few Hunslet fans winding up Leeds supporters.

Fines are given to the clubs that are in control of the crowd. As this was an RFL event, and the incident in question was resolved, I don't see why there would need to be anything of the sort. The only thing Leeds, Wire and the RFL can do after is identify and ban people.

What you describe is almost identical, word for word, to what I witnessed at the 2005 Leeds/Hull final at Cardiff except that I was sat four rows closer to it than you.

To those who say that it is not alcohol that causes these problems, I'm not sure where your reasoning comes from, sure it takes an aggressive individual to want to create such mob violence in the first place but its the alcohol that is the spark to the fusewire, it would be a shame to ban alcohol sales inside the stadium because that is only part of the problem - anti-social behaviour like throwing beer around should be an instant ejection from the ground, no questions asked.

And like bramleyrhino I too was part of the same bbq night in Perpignan that was completely ruined by another gang of middle aged boozed-up fekkwits who simply did not have the knowledge of how to control their moronic behaviour under the influence of alcohol.

It embarrassing when its attached to your club but the truth is its a whole tranche of society who simply don't know how to control themselves now.

What is even more disconcerting is there are people posting on here who sem to condone these actions.

Rugby League PRIDES itself on a friendly FAMILY sport.

OK! occasionally the language at matches, at times is a bit near the knuckle but then words really never physically hurt anyone.

The people involved in this ruck really should be ashamed of themselves but they won't be.

Nobody is going to "dob in a mate".

Such a shame.

Well I went yesterday with 3 of my mates and we were sat with Wire,Wigan,Hull and Widnes fans and I never seen any trouble all day and you could tell that we all had a few beers

and I did not have any trouble with any of them.
A few people on here said it's down to the beer I disagree with these comments completely as we ourselves had a few beers and there was not a hint of trouble at all just having a really good time.

You're missing the point - millions of people have a beer every night of the week and don't end up fighting.

But there is a personality defect in a minority of males (and an increasing number of females) which is triggered by alcohol to seek out conflict, unfortunately a sporting stadium offers lots of opportunity for one of those trigger points and if the rest of the crowd don't respond they'll just keep winding and winding until someone does.

Call it a mental illness or a genetic defect but there are people around who actively seek out violent situations after taking in alcohol.

I would not say I was missing the point but yes I agree that there are a few mindless idiots who can't take their beer as such and will resort to violence.

Alcohol not the only cause but you cant say it does not play a part.