Who, the club or the player?

Powell will be coming here for money, nothing less nothing more. If he loved the game then he would be here now as Wigan offered him a decent deal to play rugby league a year or so back.

The club are very serious but I think they are going about it the wrong way. Gimmicky union signings might create a bit of a stir initially but when we're not getting the wins the fans will fade away. Top quality rugby league players will get the team winning and a winning team is the best publicity and marketing any club can do bar none.

That said, if we sign him I'll support him as I will all the other lads in the shirt.

I just feel we could spend the money, and achieve more using it, more wisely.

I see your point, you're probably right. A really good Super League star would probably be better for the club. It's quite hard from the outside looking in at what's good for a newer club when you support a heartlands team.

No Welsh player we would have signed could have caused more media interest than Gareth Thomas, maybe Henson, and we have been there and done that. The crowds have faded down to around 4,000 hardcore and dropped away with our performance levels. What I am asking fans of the club is do we want another union signing that will create a minor percentage of the media interest that Alfie did or do we want to strengthen the team with a top quality signing that will not be learning the game for the rest of the season and will improve the team definitely as a result of his signing. To me it is a no brainer.

And before we get the he played rugby league until he was fourteen. I did a lot of things until I was 14. It doesn't mean I can go back and be world class now and world class is what I would expect for the money we'd be paying.

Well said mate.What Crusaders and the Scorpions need to do is keep on trying to get the Welsh youngsters interested in our game and i know some people will say that if the Crusaders sign RU players kids will stand up and take notice but not necessarily so we just need development staff in say Wrexham and the surrounding areas and yes i know the Scorpions are bringing young welsh talent through and long may it continue.

Quote: crucrucrusaders " Powell will be coming here for money, nothing less nothing more. If he loved the game then he would be here now as Wigan offered him a decent deal to play rugby league a year or so back. '" Why do you think any player comes over from the NRL to play in super league? For the weather? Do you want them all out of the Crusaders club? And do you seriously think the Crusaders will be giving him a pay rise? Do you realise how much international RU players earn? Here is a link to what England players get. Wales will be slightly lower but not too far of this mark. £12000 for a win £8000 for a loss this is on top of club salaries www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/ ... 133525.ece

Quote: crucrucrusaders " Powell will be coming here for money, nothing less nothing more. If he loved the game then he would be here now as Wigan offered him a decent deal to play rugby league a year or so back. '" Why do you think any player comes over from the NRL to play in super league? For the weather? Do you want them all out of the Crusaders club? And do you seriously think the Crusaders will be giving him a pay rise? Do you realise how much international RU players earn? Here is a link to what England players get. Wales will be slightly lower but not too far of this mark. £12000 for a win £8000 for a loss this is on top of club salaries www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/ ... 133525.ece

So you think after one signing and being in the papers for a week, everyone in North Wales now knows all about the Crusaders and the new sport of rugby league. This shows your a moron, you dont think media coverage is important to a new club in a new region for the game.

Am I the moron here or is it not you who started a Scorpions for Super League thread?
Scorpions who are just over 6 months old and are currently mid table in a league two leagues lower than Super League.

Now there is a moron taking part in this debate and I know who my money is on.

So let's have facts here -

Andy Powell would command a wage of a top rugby league player but has no guarantee of becoming a top league player.
He would need time to learn the game and not hit the ground running.
He would create less media interest than the Gareth Thomas transfer.
He had a chance to play rugby league but turned Wigan down as there was not enough money offered.

Do you think this is the player we need to sign in our current situation SFSL?

So after being shown up in this debate and being owned with no reply you have taken to attacking my username

Yes I think Scorpions should have a five year plan to get into super league. Theres a thread for that debate. Lets get back to this topic and why dont you try and reply to what I have said?

Quote: crucrucrusaders "So let's have facts here - Andy Powell would command a wage of a top rugby league player but has no guarantee of becoming a top league player. He would need time to learn the game and not hit the ground running. He would create less media interest than the Gareth Thomas transfer. He had a chance to play rugby league but turned Wigan down as there was not enough money offered. '" Not one of those is actually a fact. They are your opinion, which is based on your personal bias and pathetic phobia of rugby union. dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/fact

Quote: crucrucrusaders "So let's have facts here - Andy Powell would command a wage of a top rugby league player but has no guarantee of becoming a top league player. He would need time to learn the game and not hit the ground running. He would create less media interest than the Gareth Thomas transfer. He had a chance to play rugby league but turned Wigan down as there was not enough money offered. '" Not one of those is actually a fact. They are your opinion, which is based on your personal bias and pathetic phobia of rugby union. dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/fact

Quote: Scorpions for SL "So after being shown up in this debate and being owned with no reply you have taken to attacking my username How have you shown me up? I have not had a go at your user name but the thread you started and showed yourself up in numerous times. viewtopic.php?f=2&t=457662&start=0 The debate is buy a top class existing rugby league player/spend the money on youth development or get Andy Powell on board. I think the first option is the best. You keep coming out with random things like Powell is paid loads in union and it isn't about money. Why did he speak to Wigan then and why did he turn them down? I couldn't care what you think to be honest. I know what I think and want what is best for Crusaders. That for me would be a proven rugby league player and consistent performer. To you the best option is a union player that will take time to learn the game and may never make the grade. Both would cost the same and opinions differ, that's life. Oh and if you're at a loss as to who the moron is here read the Scorpions thread you started again. That more than clears it up.

Quote: Scorpions for SL "So after being shown up in this debate and being owned with no reply you have taken to attacking my username How have you shown me up? I have not had a go at your user name but the thread you started and showed yourself up in numerous times. viewtopic.php?f=2&t=457662&start=0 The debate is buy a top class existing rugby league player/spend the money on youth development or get Andy Powell on board. I think the first option is the best. You keep coming out with random things like Powell is paid loads in union and it isn't about money. Why did he speak to Wigan then and why did he turn them down? I couldn't care what you think to be honest. I know what I think and want what is best for Crusaders. That for me would be a proven rugby league player and consistent performer. To you the best option is a union player that will take time to learn the game and may never make the grade. Both would cost the same and opinions differ, that's life. Oh and if you're at a loss as to who the moron is here read the Scorpions thread you started again. That more than clears it up.

The more I read the posts of this cretin the more I feel it is a reincarnation of a previous poster in the Barry McKenzie style.