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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"There is not one thing in there that demands clubs receive any kind of points deduction or financial penalty on coming out of admin.
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I suppose before youll accept any of this you want Sport England to actually name Bradford Bulls, Omar Khan and put the exact dates of Administrations in the rules as well.
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| Quote Sesquipedalian="Sesquipedalian"I suppose before youll accept any of this you want Sport England to actually name Bradford Bulls, Omar Khan and put the exact dates of Administrations in the rules as well.'"
No, just some kind, any kind, of requirement similar to what you said.
There isn't one there because it isn't necessary. Nobody has a problem with the RFL doing everything possible to minimise administrations and deter clubs from them. What you are proposing achieves neither of those things.
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| I'm not privy to the details of this case, but suspect the RFL will find a way to impose a 4 point rather than 6 point penalty on Bradford Bulls for going into Administration again recently.
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| I quite liked this thread during the off season, however, it’s getting a tad monotonous now, just endless accusations & retorts.
The sooner the Red Hall Massive decide on the outcome, the better & whatever is decided there’ll be squealing piggy’s either way.
Maybe the Bull’s won’t get a deduction at all (as per their original ill-advised statement) to the howls of derision from a number of fans, for whatever reason.
Maybe the Bull’s will get six points, followed by the accusations of injustice from Bradford fans (with the assistance of a number of sympathisers)
So come on Nigel, earn your corn & come to a decision, because I’m getting tired, so very tired.
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| Quote The Devil's Advocate="The Devil's Advocate"So come on Nigel, earn your corn & come to a decision.'"
Apparently he's waiting for Sally Bolton to get back to him with HIS decision 
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| Quote The Devil's Advocate="The Devil's Advocate"
So come on Nigel, earn your corn & come to a decision, because I’m getting tired, so very tired.'"
This. It was fun way to pass the off season (with a smattering of real and important issues that needed to be raised) but now there's real live rugby again, what's all the todo about?! Let's get on with it!
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| Quote The Devil's Advocate="The Devil's Advocate"...
So come on Nigel, earn your corn & come to a decision, because I’m getting tired, so very tired.'"
It may be tiresome (Bulls fans would use a whole load of more earthy adjectives) but given there is, apparently almost another fortnight before the winner of the auction is announced; and given that the combined wisdom of the world concludes that the points deduction must correlate to the loss to creditors; and given that that will obviously not be known until some considerable time after the new management is confirmed; given those circumstances it would clearly be both impossible and illogical to make a decision before those things happen.
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| Quote Ferocious Aardvark="Ferocious Aardvark"It may be tiresome (Bulls fans would use a whole load of more earthy adjectives) but given there is, apparently almost another fortnight before the winner of the auction is announced; and given that the combined wisdom of the world concludes that the points deduction must correlate to the loss to creditors; and given that that will obviously not be known until some considerable time after the new management is confirmed; given those circumstances it would clearly be both impossible and illogical to make a decision before those things happen.'"
you'll get 4 points docked....the race you have this year is to catch 12th spot, because you'll get those 4 points back from us. You may have to rely on other "contenders" kicking lumps out of themselves to stay up......this Thursdays game is already a 4 pointer IMHO!
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| Quote Adeybull="Adeybull""Many"? We keep getting assured of this, but what no-one has been able to do is to put any kind of a number on that. Maybe you can help us? Simple question (once again - as has been asked numerous times): what % of the total value of third party creditors did Glover repay?
Without taking anything away from Glover at all - quite the opposite - I suspect the answer is quite a modest %, and none to the principal creditor HMRC? But it would be great to have my guess disproved with some hard facts. Can you help?
I doubt that continuing to use the services of several creditors can have had any effect on the points deduction, because the RFL decided on the penalty within a week of the administrator being appointed. And anyway, so did Bradford.'"
Obviously only Trinity and probably the RFL know the exact specifics, as you probaby well know. Why do you think any fans would know the excat percenatge. All any Trinity fan knows is what was told by the new owners and the RFL.
Glover went into a few more details about who he paid off at the time at a fans meeting, when he took over. Questions were asked and answered, sorry didn't take any notes mate.
I suppose they could decide how much they were going to deduct in those 7 days, if Glover got out his checkbook out and paid what % of the creditors it was that kept the RFL happy there and then.
Whatever it was Glover paid, no doubt if your new owners offered to pay a similar %, they'd get the same treatment, surely?
Maybe the Crusaders fans now what percentage they paid becuase it was their club that set the Precedent.
You keep deriding certain Wakey fans for feeling the way they do but I bet if the roles were reverse, you and many of you're own fans would probably be saying the same as them, it's the nature of the beast.
Just for the record the amount of Trinty fans that want your club to suffer is tiny.
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| Quote Bull Mania="Bull Mania"No you didn't! Justin poore. Paul Aiton, Ben cockaybe, Tim Smith, Ali Lautiti, Danny Washbrook, Peter Fox and a host of other players were bright AFTER you went into admin.
A lot of your creditors didn't get paid though did they. Only reason they didn't get shafted again was because you managed to get a quick sale to MC.'"
There was no real sale, MC was already on the board but played hardly any role and then he took over the fun and games from Glover.
By the way you are right we bought all those players you mention after admin but it was the season after we went into admin.We went into admin before the 2011 season, those players were bought for the 2012 season.
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| Quote The Devil's Advocate="The Devil's Advocate"I quite liked this thread during the off season, however, it’s getting a tad monotonous now, just endless accusations & retorts.
The sooner the Red Hall Massive decide on the outcome, the better & whatever is decided there’ll be squealing piggy’s either way.
Maybe the Bull’s won’t get a deduction at all (as per their original ill-advised statement) to the howls of derision from a number of fans, for whatever reason.
Maybe the Bull’s will get six points, followed by the accusations of injustice from Bradford fans (with the assistance of a number of sympathisers)
So come on Nigel, earn your corn & come to a decision, because I’m getting tired, so very tired.'"
Agree with you there.
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| Decision by the end of the week apparently. I'm going for 4 points.
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