And that is the problem in the UK, since the A team folded there is no longer a pathway through for emerging players to cut their teeth, they are put straight into the 1st team and its a case of sink or swim, and if they only just tread water we are ready to slag them off because they are'nt cutting it, we should be looking at better pathways to break in future emerging players.

Widdop had 2 years in the Acadamy (U1icon_cool.gif at Melbourne Storm, 2 years at U20 Toyota Cup and was voted Player of the Year at fullback and named in the U20 Dream Team of the Year, 1 year NSW Cup playing fullback and stand off and also picked for the NSW Residents, State of Origin Team at stand off, was stand off of the year in the NSW Dream Team of the Year.
He made is debut during the last year playing centre in place of Greg Inglis, then played two further games at fullback and centre. And then we all know about his debut against France.

I,m not trying to big up Widdop in anyway, but am trying to highlight the probable reasons for what seems as an earlier than normal call up than that of a Uk based player, the different pathways he has received in Oz as opposed to the pathways that are on offer in the UK to other emerging players are far greater. The Storm have nurtured him through their feeder teams, as they have done with many other players in the past, (Ingliss, Slater, Smith, Cronk, Hoffman, D Johnson, Blair, Lima, etc, etc, all Internationals) before releasing him into fulltime 1st grade,
he will move into the 1st grade team next year at stand off.

So as far as the question of experiance goes, he has had quiet a good pathway to be considered for the England squad, he has already played against many of the players that you will see in the Aus/NZ Squad so mentally you could say he is more prepared than most debutants, physically, only time will tell. If infact Steve is getting a team together for the World Cup, then I think he should allow more of the younger emerging international players to tour irrelevant of wether we win or lose, they will gain valuable experiance playing against some of the best players in the World, I'm not saying fill the whole team, but take some of the names thrown up above instaed of bringing back some of the old guard.

Going off thread a bit here but I have listed below the pathway's that most NRL players go through beforte reaching grade.

Harold Matthews U16
SG Ball U18
Bundaberg Red Cup Open Age (Feeder Teams)
NSW Cup Open Age (Feeder Teams) Qld Cup Open Age (Feeder Teams)
Toyota Cup U20 (2nd Grade)

Then NRL 1st Grade.

Also you have the Arrive Alive National School Boy Comp (U1icon_cool.gif and the National School Boys Chamionships (U1icon_cool.gif that the Junior Kangaroos are picked from.

All the above are good standards of Rugby League and are heavily supported by the NRL.

There is not anything like the same pathways in the UK?

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Four more players have just pulled out of the Australia team. Jennings, Lyon, Minichello and most the dngerous of all Thourston.

It will be a shame to see quality players missing from the tournament but if ever there was a time when Australia were there for the taking this is it. They have a handy nal of players to replace the injured with but they aren't of the calibre of those who would be starting.

Would nobody have Chris Riley on the wing?

of the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse,inglis,thurston,slater &lockyer...2 horsemen have gooorrrrnnn and of the other 2 only one of them is fit.....


this blows it wide open.....as its normally a combination of the feaks (inglis,thurston,slater & lockyer) that destorys us......their replacements are'nt freaks...just decent RL players

FFS, Brough is Scottish.

well he's not......but he has gone back to playing for scotland

But they are also at their most dangerous when they have their backs to the wall and are written off.



But they display one very important trait that we don't see enough in English players:

They raise their game above their club performances.
They are fiercely proud of their National shirt
They learn very quickly from poor performances.
Every Australian believes that they can still win the game when down by two tries with 4 minutes to go.

Teams that beat them raise their intensity and maintain it long enough to crush the fightback.

We can do it in one off's and NZ have shown they are capable of playing them at their own game. I actually think it could be an "interesting" series.

Lunt you are having a laugh - his defence is a joke

So Todd Carney, Mark Gasnier, Chris Lawrence, Scott Prince are just decent RL players!!!

I haven't noticed any particular weaknesses in his defence to be honest - are you talking about the strength in the tackle, missed tackles or some aspect of marker/cover play?

Besides, the way that Brown has developed the Giants in the last couple of seasons, I wouldn’t have thought he would carry a weak defensive forward, especially as he has moved Lunt to second row this season

my point is theres nothing to be scared of....they are'nt freaks like inglis,thurston,slater & lockyer..


i remember back in 2006 when all the aussies where crowing about gasnier taking on a GB debutant in kirk yeaman...he's turn him inside out they said...first tackle yeaman smashed gasnier and sent him back to the sheds for the rest of the game...gasniers aura went with him...


take the freaks out the australia team and they are half the side....everything goes through inglis,thurston,slater or lockyer......slaters that good he even had a hand in NZ winning the world cup finalicon_wink.gif

I like Graham but he lacks size for a prop and therefore struggles to make an impact at international level. Still 1 of our best though.

www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyl ... eague.html yep struggles to make an impact at international level...

www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyl ... eague.html yep struggles to make an impact at international level...

I often wonder if some people watch the same game I do...then I remember they are often watching through blinkers of club bias.

Hoping he (Graham) comes down for a few seasons in the NRL. Could prove just as good as Burgess and Elllis