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| The crowd were embrassingly quiet today but not for the first time England games have been silent this decade, and the amount of empty seats is sad to see.
However, the enthusiasm of the general public towards international rugby league, or the England RL team in particular, has been damaged after not having a World Cup in 2004 and the culling of Great Britain in 2006. Even though we’ve had World Cups since and it has been announced that GB are to return next year, that damage has still not been mended! Will it take a generation to mend?
Also, when you look at how many games England play the general public have not had a team to get behind anywhere near enough so apathy towards the team sets in, or worse, they are just forgotten about full stop!
This decade so far, the following England national sides have played the following number of games (then number of home games in brackets):
Cricket - 110 (60)
Football - 108 (50)
Rugby Union - 103 (54)
Rugby League - 45 (25)
No wonder there’s a lack of support, no wonder the atmospheres are always almost silent and tickets don’t always get taken up. There is barely ever a team to get behind, we don’t live and breath the England RL team, it’s just the odd fixture every now and again that we’ll think about the week of the game.
There needs to be far more fixtures played!
Also when it comes to ticketing and marketing, some new people need to be put in post!
The pricing was all wrong for today. Tickets for this series should be £5-7 for kids and £18-20 for adults. And I’d like to know what the England RL or the RFL have done this year in the towns of Beverley, Bridlington, Shorpe, Grimsby, Cleethorpes and Lincoln in relation to today’s game in Hull, never mind the pitiful effort they put in in Hull itself. Did anyone in any of those towns (none of them have big football or rugby union teams, by the way!) get to know that this game was on today?
In a sport that is very parochial, where we play half as many games as other England teams, with terrible marketing and ticketing, is it any wonder why we get about 1/4 of the attendance of the football and union England teams?
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| On the game, it was fairly good, the series will get better... the referee was APPALLING!
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| Quote: UllFC "The marketing needs a complete overhaul, all they do is spam email and mailshot the existing customer list, no attempt at all to attract newcomers to the game.
And yes giving the clubs tickets to sell for a commission would help, HullFC promote the magic weekend heavily because they keep a percentage of tickets they sell, for todays game ive seen barely any promo from the club because there's no incentive to sell any tickets from the RFL.
The pricing was also wrong today. They were trying to charge 55quid for blocks on the halfway line with no concessions, down to 15quid (with last minute promo codes) for behind the posts. While the halfway line is of course always the best view, at the KCOM there are no bad views anywhere, certainly not a 40quid difference in quality of view anyway. So you had a situation where blocks on the 20/40 metre lines were full but the expensive seats half empty.
I think todays crowd was a reflection of how much RL is declining. Every full international at the KCOM over the last 15 years since it opened has got above 20k with a few 25k sellouts. If Rugby mad Hull is losing interest then alarm bells really are ringing.'"
There should be things put in place like “Ticket Battle” between the local clubs for these types of games. For today’s game there should have been a race between HullFC and HullKR to see which club could sell the most tickets. Just for a few bragging rights. Same for next week at Anfield, which club of Wire Wigan and Saints could sell the most tickets for the game.
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| Good game, enjoyed it thoroughly.
Tomkins in the halves didn't quite work for me. His positioning in the defensive line was terrible - probably due to playing full-back for so long. He was up & back & stuttering and ultimately responsible for the try off the scrum - seemed more concerned with getting a hit on whoever it was put the man through. Get him back at No.1.
Connor was good - and I liked seeing him annoying the Kiwis. We need players who can get under the skin of Aus/NZ and he's a master at it. Get him at half-back though, and a centre at centre.
Thompson - superb. Always liked him. Not many put a player like Taupau in his backside like that. Strong lad with a massive future. If the Burgess brothers had run like him today we'd have won by 20 but instead they seemed strangely lethargic in attack, excect for 1 bust.
NZ got away with a lot today - but I belong firmly to the house of "let it go" so no real complaints from me. We just need to give it a bit more, while not getting sucked into handbags and possible cards. All I ask from the refs is consistency.
Overall, well played lads, NZ are a handy side but couldn't break that defence down. Build on this, go into the next game that much more confident and you'll do it again.
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| Didn’t we get disadvantaged at the try by Bateman having to change his blood stained jersey. Looked out of position.
Just spent 3 hrs trying to get a ticket for next week thanks to Ourleague joke app. At least 5 bugs and other issues. Typical RFL - why do something properly when you can bodge it.
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| I thought we let NZ off the hook at times, particularly through our kicking. First 25 minutes or so we troubled them quite easily, our forwards were rolling forward with the ball and defensively we were able to slow them down. No front foot opportunities at all for Johnson. Had we kicked the ball a bit better, I think we’d have got more reward for it.
25 mins or so in the game became a bit scrappy. Couple of questionable decisions by Robert Hicks and it became a bit stop start. The intensity definitely dropped, couple of loose passes and lapses in concentration.
Second half followed a similar pattern, intense too start but became loose as it went on (to be expected). I never felt at any stage during the game that their pack was troubling us, they only came into the game on the back of our errors/penalties which is obviously a positive.
I thought we looked dangerous when we moved the ball but I don’t think we did it enough. We got a try from it when Bateman cut back to the other side of the ruck, Elliot Whitehead made a break in the second half when Williams and Lomax combined (the only time in the game that they did), we created a 2 v 1 down the right edge when the NZ player knocked the ball down. Gildart’s try came from a bit of ball movement as well so I think more of that is needed. Was an outstanding finish, his footwork is really underrated. Very good.
For me, we need to kick a lot, lot better though, we gave them far too many easy outs. Also think we need to show more composure when we do get into their half. There were a couple of sets on their line where we didn’t throw anything at them and there was a distinct lack of organisation and control and the forwards needed more direction. Didn’t get to the right points on the park often enough for me. Lacking a genuine half in both those cases.
Individual wise, I thought most went OK. Josh Hodgson looks a much better player when he keeps it simple and either distributes from the deck or exploits a quick PTB. Too often he takes too many steps or tries to do too much and it makes it tough for the other lads to run off him. Someone above mentioned Jonny Lomax but I thought he went OK actually. Made some tough carries on his own line and defensively dealt with everything, also had a hand in the try. It wasn’t a game for the out-side backs and as I say, he didn’t get any ball in space. He wasn’t given the ball once at 3rd receiver and as a 1, it’s extremely difficult to get yourself into the game without abandoning the structure that the coaches have set up. Bateman and Whitehead were very good, Thompson took some stick but kept coming, Hill I thought was good, the forwards were always in control. Half backs, I’m still not sure on due to the reasons I’ve listed. Williams kept hold of the ball a little bit too much I thought. Difficult for Tomkins though because he isn’t a 7 so it’s to be expected. Hopefully another weeks training will help him if Bennett chooses to select him there again. I think he’s good enough to develop that in a week when they watch the video.
Some good signs though, I thought we looked a lot more dominant when we stepped things up.
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| Quote: Hasbag "And so far they've not got past. He's coming up with the tackles.'"
Upon reflection I was quick to judge Connor, he was much better in the second half, defending against Joseph Manu is no easy task and he's still pretty new to international football. I like him in the super league and if he gets games I'd like to see him with more ball in the next 2 matches.
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| Quote: UllFC "The marketing needs a complete overhaul, all they do is spam email and mailshot the existing customer list, no attempt at all to attract newcomers to the game.
And yes giving the clubs tickets to sell for a commission would help, HullFC promote the magic weekend heavily because they keep a percentage of tickets they sell, for todays game ive seen barely any promo from the club because there's no incentive to sell any tickets from the RFL.
The pricing was also wrong today. They were trying to charge 55quid for blocks on the halfway line with no concessions, down to 15quid (with last minute promo codes) for behind the posts. While the halfway line is of course always the best view, at the KCOM there are no bad views anywhere, certainly not a 40quid difference in quality of view anyway. So you had a situation where blocks on the 20/40 metre lines were full but the expensive seats half empty.
I think todays crowd was a reflection of how much RL is declining. Every full international at the KCOM over the last 15 years since it opened has got above 20k with a few 25k sellouts. If Rugby mad Hull is losing interest then alarm bells really are ringing.'"
I always enjoy reading your posts and I reckon I could have a decent guess at your line of work, are there no vacancies at Red Hall for a man with your credentials?
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| Quote: UllFC "And yes giving the clubs tickets to sell for a commission would help,'"
This....and more of it!
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1230.gif “You are playing a game of football this afternoon but more than that you are playing for England, and more even than that, you are playing for right versus wrong. You will win because you have to win. Don’t forget that message from home. England expects every one of you to do his duty.”:1230.gif |
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| Bought my tickets in February when I was really looking forward to the game, I was less positive this week looking at the distinct loss in the England squad quality since the World Cup, although it is good to see two actual centres playing. Felt we are in with a chance this series but had to win today when the weather and Kiwis are cold.
Crowd today was very poor, and quiet. Don't think £50 is unreasonable for the best seat in the house, and I got a discount on that because I bought tickets for all three games. These are the two best teams that will play in this country this year, and it was twenty quid when I went to see a Super League game earlier this year and that was dog awful. If the regular weekly fans don't want or can't afford international games then market them to someone else.
Really think the international game is the best shot of a prosperous future, its the only high quality product we have and we should be playing a series like this against a Tier 1 nation in the UK every year, a summer international window would allow us to do that when we are going overseas at the end of the season. ON top of that RL in the UK need to invest in youth players more or the continual decline in the squad quality will make the game impossible to sell to anyone.
As for today, thought we were a little slow coming forward in defence and lacked ideas in attack, particularly in the kicking department. Would drop Tomkins as he created nothing, can't kick and is a liability in defence. Can't see how Bateman is getting praise, he was looking for niggle far too much, doesn't know when to pass and makes too many mistakes. The newer members of the team mostly impressed me though.
Referee was poor and failed to control the game. Another example of letting the game flow benefiting one side over another. When I saw the NZ coach on the big screen it explained a lot about their game plan/tackling techniques.
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| Quote: TheUnassumingBadger "I always enjoy reading your posts and I reckon I could have a decent guess at your line of work, are there no vacancies at Red Hall for a man with your credentials?'"
Don’t you know that half of RLfans is marketing geniuses who’d do a better job....they just can’t be bothered applying which is quite ironic given they usually slag of the RFL for lack of effort
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| Quote: Wigg'n "England did win.'"
Even when he’s trying to be funny he makes a fool of himself - classic!
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| Quote: Hopie "Bought my tickets in February when I was really looking forward to the game, I was less positive this week looking at the distinct loss in the England squad quality since the World Cup, although it is good to see two actual centres playing. Felt we are in with a chance this series but had to win today when the weather and Kiwis are cold.
Crowd today was very poor, and quiet. Don't think £50 is unreasonable for the best seat in the house, and I got a discount on that because I bought tickets for all three games. These are the two best teams that will play in this country this year, and it was twenty quid when I went to see a Super League game earlier this year and that was dog awful. If the regular weekly fans don't want or can't afford international games then market them to someone else.
Really think the international game is the best shot of a prosperous future, its the only high quality product we have and we should be playing a series like this against a Tier 1 nation in the UK every year, a summer international window would allow us to do that when we are going overseas at the end of the season. ON top of that RL in the UK need to invest in youth players more or the continual decline in the squad quality will make the game impossible to sell to anyone.
As for today, thought we were a little slow coming forward in defence and lacked ideas in attack, particularly in the kicking department. Would drop Tomkins as he created nothing, can't kick and is a liability in defence. Can't see how Bateman is getting praise, he was looking for niggle far too much, doesn't know when to pass and makes too many mistakes. The newer members of the team mostly impressed me though.
Referee was poor and failed to control the game. Another example of letting the game flow benefiting one side over another. When I saw the NZ coach on the big screen it explained a lot about their game plan/tackling techniques.'"
Do you think that Myler would have been better than Tomkins and if not, who would you play instead of him.
Regarding Bateman, I thought he had an excellent game and despite the attention of 3 defenders, he put Gildart away to win the game for England.
Although Tomkins struggled to create too much, he's still the only England player with the "x" factor and for me, he should keep the shirt.
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| Quote: Ruune Rebellion "T-Mak was outstanding today. No wonder the great Wayne Bennett prefers him to Tom Johnstone. Thought our halves were anonymous in attack but stood up in defence. Thompson and Hill played really well as did Bateman. J-Lo needs dropping though. Offers nothing other than guile'"
TM did ok tbf and I don’t think TJ would have done any better. However ‘outstanding’ no not even close mate.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Do you think that Myler would have been better than Tomkins and if not, who would you play instead of him.
Regarding Bateman, I thought he had an excellent game and despite the attention of 3 defenders, he put Gildart away to win the game for England.
Although Tomkins struggled to create too much, he's still the only England player with the "x" factor and for me, he should keep the shirt.'"
I'd like to see ST take the line on. Agree he should keep the shirt as we totally lack any international class half backs, and our game is a dull shadow of itself as a consequence.
All we get is a forward battle, which England just about shaded. The excitement is now only due to just the closeness of the scoreline rather than any skill factor on show. Great persistence from Gildart for his try, but awful defence on NZ's part - same for England allowing the try from the scrum.
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