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Quote: Fully "[iDon't think Bradford would be a major loss; conversely, I think their loss would be the Championship's gain and the pull they would have to push the Championships more.[/i I'm a believer that this game cannot move forward whilst the second division is semi-professional, has such a low cap etc. We need a strong second division to allow for free movement between divisions of clubs.

I'm not saying Bradford will do this - or any other big club for that fact - but it would certainly provide some sort of catalyst. Certainly more so than relegating a side like Cas or Wakey would.

And you asked who I thought should go down if it changed to 12. The bottom two of the season before it changes back. If I was to select two right now, I'd say Bulls and Salford based on all things considered over last licensing period and this in terms of the very vague criteria provided to us fans.'"


[iDisagree with the first bit although I do agree with the second bit[/i
Fully agree with that.
So you agree Cas will be one of the teams the RFL boot out then!!

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No because London and Widnes are below us and the season hasn't finished so could be higher.

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OLDHAM RLFC RUGBY LEAGUE CHAMPIONSHIP WINNERS: 1904-05 1909-10, 1910-11, 1956-57 Runners Up: 1906-07, 1907-08, 1908-09, 1921-22, 1954-55 FIRST DIVISION CHAMPIONS: 1904-05 RUGBY LEAGUE CHALLENGE CUP WINNERS: 1899, 1925, 1927 Runners Up: 1907, 1912, 1924, 1926 LANCASHIRE CUP WINNERS: 1906–07, 1909–10, 1912–13, 1918–19, 1923–24, 1932–33, 1955–56, 1956–57, 1957–58 Runners Up: 1897–98, 1900–01, 1907–08, 1909–10, 1921–22, 1956–57, 1957–58 LANCASHIRE LEAGUE CHAMPIONS: 1897-98, 1900-01, 1907-08, 1909-10, 1921-22, 1956-57, 1957-58 Runners Up: 1895-96, 1896-97, 1898-99, 1899-1900, 1908-09, 1910-11, 1911-12, 1923-24, 1954-55 SECOND DIVISION CHAMPIONS: 1963-64, 1981-82, 1987-88 SECOND / DIVISIONAL PREMIERSHIP WINNERS: 1988, 1990 Runners Up: 1992 NORTHERN FORD PREMERSHIP Runners up : 2001 NATIONAL LEAGUE TWO/CHAMPIONSHIP 1 Play off final runners up: 2007,2008,2009,2010:14417.gif



i'd go all out and cut the league down to 10 teams..with a top 5 play off


catalan
london
wigan
st helens
warrington
huddersfield
bradford
leeds
hull fc
hull kr

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I really don't get the appeal of having a London team. Does having a team in the capital really bring more benefits than negatives to the league?

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yep

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Quote: roughyedspud "yep'"


Enlighten me

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I have never read so much unadulterated rubbish in my life.
If the number of teams in Superleague is reduced further you then have even more disillusioned fans who will be lost to the game producing even more derisory attendances to go along with the alarming lack of interest already evident in Championship 1 and 2.
As someone has already stated the number of pro players will be reduced enormously and people will soon lose interest in a league where clubs play each other too often.
The public at large will look at the small number of clubs in a so called Superleague and come to the conclusion it cannot be so super.
Getting rid of clubs who who consistently produce local talent would also see that source of player production gradually wither away.
Lets consolidate what we have and make the game sustainable, maintaining at the same time traditions which make the game of Rugby League so special.

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we need a presence in london......end of story

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Quote: roughyedspud "we need a presence in london......end of story'"


Oh ok then, I didn't realise it was so simple.

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surprisingly it is that simple....

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Quote: SmokeyTA "The majority of clubs in any league are mediocre. Some are good, some are bed, the rest-Mediocre.

it is typical of RL to say that there isn’t the talent to sustain 13 teams (les ignore les Catalans because they are a different matter) lets cut it down and not look at changing the reasons why we cant produce enough to sustain 13 sides.'"


This.

The call to reduce the number of teams in SL is short-sighted and based on self-interest. If there is a genuine belief that we have a dearth of talent, SL teams should be compelled to do something about that - stricter rules around overseas players and a requirement to partner in a meaningful way with grassroots clubs would be a good start, along with some consideration of limiting the number of games each player can participate in, to force clubs to rotate their squads for reasons other than injury.

To base long term decisions about the future of the sport on a snapshot in time is just daft; there needs to be a 10 year plan that encourages (and compels) SL clubs to behave virtously for the good of the game, not just themselves.

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I dont get why having a team in the capital does us so much good. At the end of the day London are poor, they dont produce many competitive games, and they dont win many so therefore they should go.

Widnes seem to be coming alright at the moment, they meet a lot of the criteria and hoepfully next season will be more of a threat and continue to grow.

Wakefield and Cas to me are more or less in the same boat, very inconsistent, and all I ever seem to see or hear about is "plans for the future" or "will come good". In my eyes it would be one of these that went along with London, how that is decided finally should be based on everything, gates, youth, stadium, finances, all of it to a very high level (ie not just a quick look like the licensing fiasco that said Bradford were going ok).

I dont know why we cant have both Franchise and P+R to be fair. Take three year periods, and set targets, over the three years in Championship it is weighed up, so the teams that finish top, win the cup, and meet criteria needed to sustain a team in Super League then at the end of three years, small tournament between those teams, winner goes up.

Similar for the bottom of Super League, over the three years look at performance and the bottom club(s) play to see who goes.

To me Sky should love it, while only every three years they should pull in some great figures, and the knock on effect is that league matched mean something again, resulting in higher figures and hopefully higher gates.

12 team superleague, max of 5 or 6 for playoffs, and a much bigger empasis on cup and league leaders. Make it about three peices of silverware rather than just one.

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Quote: blackpoolwigan "I dont get why having a team in the capital does us so much good. At the end of the day London are poor, they dont produce many competitive games, and they dont win many so therefore they should go..'"


erm...they've never finished bottom of super league,reached the playoffs 3 or 4 times,finished 2nd before play off where introduced and over the course of 16 SL seasons they average 8th place.........but yeah therefore they should go......... c020.gif

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Quote: roughyedspud "erm...they've never finished bottom of super league,reached the playoffs 3 or 4 times,finished 2nd before play off where introduced and over the course of 16 SL seasons they average 8th place.........but yeah therefore they should go.........
How dare you try and introduce logic to rlfans? icon_smile.gif

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Quote: roughyedspud "erm...they've never finished bottom of super league,reached the playoffs 3 or 4 times,finished 2nd before play off where introduced and over the course of 16 SL seasons they average 8th place.........but yeah therefore they should go.........
By the end of this season if they dont improve on there current position they will have averaged 12th over the last 5 years having never achieved a playoff place since 2005 or even a challenge cup semi final with I think the lowest average attendance in the league each year!

What do they offer SL in terms of playing ability that Featherstone dont deserve the chance to showcase??

Unless they manage to pull off a major coup in terms of a new coach or a couple of marque signings for next season I cant see them competing for a playoff place in the near future.

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