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kcab sfrawdder Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done But he with a chuckle replied That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried. So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin On his face. If he worried he hid it. He started to sing as he tackled the thing That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg



Quote: Him "Well argued. No really. Well done on countering the points I put forward. That appears to be your stock answer when you feel like you should disagree but you dont know why.

If you seriously can't see the effect national media . When there is Premier League football, International Rugby Union, International Cricket, Euro 2012 & the Olympics all with high profile, nationwide status why would people put the effort in required to actively take an interest in a sport they barely know exist?'"


You answer your own question, apart from the Premier League ( the most widely watched, supported , sponsored, internationally worker populated competition of the worlds most popular sport ) all your other examples are not club sport, but International sport, we dont have a competitive International aspect to RL, therefore RL will remain a regional sport, its marketing should reflect that, our only option is to build up our clubs local support

Australian rules is a regional sport, Gealic football and Hurling similarily are regional non international sports, yes we need to try to expand the International interest in RL, on the other thread I pointed out an idea several years ago when Russia were showing interest, but as usual RL never does anything properly, it is always half cocked, underfunded, our club sides ( all of them ) have no interest in building the game ( we see criticism of ' self interest ' by SL fans of the lower tier clubs, well the SL clubs are no different in that regard )

We are a regional sport, and that isnt going to change any day soon, until we can run a world Cup with 16 nations ' competing ' and 6 potential winners we will remain a minority regional sport played in Australia, Norther England and the south of France ( even in NZ the sport is seen as something the ' Coconuts ' , slang term for South Sea Islanders and the Moaris not good enough for Union play )

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Quote: cravenpark1 "Super league has not failed it is the people that are in charge of our clubs that have failed when we get somebody to take charge of the chairmen and owners we will be better run and we might get more fans to watch the greatest game of all
That would mean rich backers who have made there money from good business plans and revenue streams within the RFL contraints.
Can,t think of any people who is willing to buy and run a club in a sport with no stature, no global sponsors, very little media exposure and international status.
We do have chairmen from Wigan, Warrington, Leeds, Hull and St Helens with good business plans who have vented there concerns about how the game is run, but are being held back by the RFL or veto,d by the lesser superleague clubs.
The future might be to give the more successfully run clubs more voting power and not confined to superleague clubs only, so that the models of success is filtered down to the poorly run clubs.

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kcab sfrawdder Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done But he with a chuckle replied That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried. So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin On his face. If he worried he hid it. He started to sing as he tackled the thing That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg



Quote: Judder Man "That would mean rich backers who have made there money from good business plans and revenue streams within the RFL contraints.
Can,t think of any people who is willing to buy and run a club in a sport with no stature, no global sponsors, very little media exposure and international status.
We do have chairmen from Wigan, Warrington, Leeds, Hull and St Helens with good business plans who have vented there concerns about how the game is run, but are being held back by the RFL or veto,d by the lesser superleague clubs.
The future might be to give the more successfully run clubs more voting power and not confined to superleague clubs only, so that the models of success is filtered down to the poorly run clubs.'"


More voting power? , meaning an increase in the salary cap, meaning a bigger gap between the top 5/6 and the rest, that will help

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Quote: Starbug "More voting power? , meaning an increase in the salary cap, meaning a bigger gap between the top 5/6 and the rest, that will help'"



No, you are on the wrong wavelength. Its about getting the successful clubs to demonstate how to be more successful without effecting there market share. For example Featherstone Rovers might be better run and more successful pro rata than Salford so Featherstone would have more voting power.
On the subject of the salary cap we still have a lot of clubs who do not spend up to the salary cap limit because they do not have income revenue streams or business plans in place to achieve this. The more successful better run clubs need for the future existence of the sport share the business methods or have a bigger influence in this area by voting power.
The objective should be 10 clubs in profit spending to salary cap.......then looking at raising it according to the cross section finance of superleague, for the championships this would be filtered down and partly financed through RFL subsidy.

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Quote: Judder Man "
The future might be to give the more successfully run clubs more voting power '"


5 years ago Bradford would have been in that list. "Chairman stupidity" is a fluent market.

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2nd and 3rd tier RL divisions have drawn sub 1500 crowds for the whole 30 years I've followed the game, how has SL made it any worse?

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Quote: littlerich "5 years ago Bradford would have been in that list. "Chairman stupidity" is a fluent market.'"


Thats correct, its because we have this "I,m alright Jack" mentality amongst clubs instead of integration and transparency we only react on failure. Think Mc Manus covered this early this season on the deaf ears of the RFL and his only avenue to raise the issue was with the media.

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kcab sfrawdder Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done But he with a chuckle replied That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried. So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin On his face. If he worried he hid it. He started to sing as he tackled the thing That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg



Quote: Judder Man "No, you are on the wrong wavelength. Its about getting the successful clubs to demonstate how to be more successful without effecting there market share. For example Featherstone Rovers might be better run and more successful pro rata than Salford so Featherstone would have more voting power.
On the subject of the salary cap we still have a lot of clubs who do not spend up to the salary cap limit because they do not have income revenue streams or business plans in place to achieve this. The more successful better run clubs need for the future existence of the sport share the business methods or have a bigger influence in this area by voting power.
The objective should be 10 clubs in profit spending to salary cap.......then looking at raising it according to the cross section finance of superleague, for the championships this would be filtered down and partly financed through RFL subsidy.'"


The successful clubs are successful partly because of historical support, Leeds have been the ' richest ' club for decades because they are from a large city, how can you change that?

Yes your idea is great, but it just wont happen, when licening was originally suggested we were told CLUBS would behave differently, those among the doubters suggested differently, we stated that coaches would still look for the finished article before a junior, tgat Chairmen would still demand succes, fans also would not be willing to wait to see if their junior development would pay off 5/6/7 years down the line

Are SL clubs giving young British coaches a chance? , no, we have an influx of coaches from down under

Clubs and their owners will do what they consider is best for their club, not the sport as a whole, their fans demand it

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Quote: JB Down Under "2nd and 3rd tier RL divisions have drawn sub 1500 crowds for the whole 30 years I've followed the game, how has SL made it any worse?'"


Has it made it any better?

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Quote: Judder Man "Thats correct, its because we have this "I,m alright Jack" mentality amongst clubs instead of integration and transparency we only react on failure. Think Mc Manus covered this early this season on the deaf ears of the RFL and his only avenue to raise the issue was with the media.'"


And Mr Mc Manus would be just the same, he might comment about something, but if it adversley affected his club ( but was better for the sport as a whole ) he would do anything to change it

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Sorry, I've just had a couple of days of shocked delayed reaction: did someone from the woe is us camp really cite MICK GLEDHILL as a reliable source???!!!! icon_lol.gif

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Quote: Starbug "And Mr Mc Manus would be just the same, he might comment about something, but if it adversley affected his club ( but was better for the sport as a whole ) he would do anything to change it'"



Maybe, it sounded more like a principal concern from my viewpoint. Its possible we might have a "vacuum" within the RFL where nothing gets done and with the lack of transparency, the superleague is fragmented into individual success and failure.
The RFL without controlling individual clubs must be a sporting body good at business plans, marketing, sponsor links, media relations, development etc to project beyond regional areas. All we have is gimmicks and to a large extent silence from Red Hall when negative events occur.


You are in charge of the RFL, what would you change short to long term.

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Quote: Judder Man "Maybe, it sounded more like a principal concern from my viewpoint. Its possible we might have a "vacuum" within the RFL where nothing gets done and with the lack of transparency, the superleague is fragmented into individual success and failure.
The RFL without controlling individual clubs must be a sporting body good at business plans, marketing, sponsor links, media relations, development etc to project beyond regional areas. All we have is gimmicks and to a large extent silence from Red Hall when negative events occur.'"


I would agree with that post

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Quote: Starbug "Has it made it any better?'"


No and I doubt it ever will or could. To suggest SL is a failure because the clubs outside of it get low crowds and financially struggle is nonsense. It has always been that way and always will be as far as I can see, SL or no SL. In fact SL is merely Div1, The Big League, call it whatever you like. If you wanted to ask the question it should be is the RFL failing RL outside of SL or is the RFL failing to advance SL. It is not the job of the clubs in SL to sort out teh games problems.

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Quote: Mrs Barista "Mick Gledhill begs to differ, assume he has some evidence to support this tweet

Have you ever met Mick Gledhill? He makes Shaun Wane look like Stephen Hawking.

The guy's finest achievements include ending up in Cardiff nick after the Magic Weekend in 2007, and his attempts to besmirch other clubs' finances is an attempt to take the heat off his beloved Bradford's car crash administration.

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