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| seriously some people have way too much time on their hands with these in depth formats and venues
im sure the people that run the sport will do a great job at it
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| Quote: Widnes 'till i die "There's no point having 14 teams, if half of them are going to be rubbish, and are going to get thumped every game. ALso, we cant have another 'group of death' where almost all the teams in it qualify the knockout stages because it makes the sport look like the joke it is. therefore the obvious thing is to introduce more teams that are able to compete. instead of having USA and russia get beaten 110-0, why not have the likes of an Australian Indigenous team, with the remaining Aussie's split into NSW and Queensland teams, a New Zealand team and a New Zealand Maori's team, PNG with the rest of the islanders put into a pacific islander's team, England split into Yorkshire and Lancashire, France, Celtic Nations (Wales, Scotland, Ireland), 'Australian Euopean Grandparents/passport' team under the name of Europe etc. This way we would have a truly competitive competition, which would undoubtedly get higher viewing figures, better sponsorship etc. What do you think?'"
well you should only have a SL of 6 teams too then.
silly.
the union world cup only has 7/8 proper teams and it apparently is succesful.
you will see more skill in samoa vs tonga in the RLWC than nz vs australia in the RUWC.
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| Quote: saints35 bulls0 "every one of the USA squad in 2009 was from the domestic competition. cant find the Russian squad anywhere, but they traditionally have always used domestic players.'"
for which game? you would have found that for their world cup qualifiers they actually had over 10 australians in their squad, allthough your right re: russia they do use domestic players, thats why they cant get within 40 points of any decent opposition
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Matt Peterson?'"
Mark Minnichello
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| Quote: marvwoodburn "for which game? you would have found that for their world cup qualifiers they actually had over 10 australians in their squad, allthough your right re
2009 Atlantic Cup Squad
Gareth Baxendale (New York Knights)
Louis Tulio (Aston DSC Bulls)
Nate Smith (Connecticut Wildcats)
Derrick Roma (New Haven Warriors)
Gene Giallombardo (Aston DSC Bulls)
Apple Pope (Jacksonville Axemen)
Sean Taylor (New York Knights)
Siose Muliumu (New Haven Warriors)
Curtis Cunz (Connecticut Wildcats)
Kea Misipeka (New Haven Warriors)
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Bob Knoepfel (Jacksonville Axemen)
John Grace (Aston DSC Bulls)
Ewan Robinson(New Haven Warriors)
Taco Pope (Jacksonville Axemen)
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| Quote: marvwoodburn "for which game? you would have found that for their world cup qualifiers they actually had over 10 australians in their squad, allthough your right re
Last time I checked, the 2008 RLWC qualifiers were not held in 2009.
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| Quote: Bovrick "Yup, but still I suppose it could be condensed. The football world cup takes 7 weeks right? All I can see happening is a shortened 2013 season tbh to accomadate for this, to make the world cup more special. You can't realistically get a competition into a fair 5 week competition with 14 teams. Well I can't think of one anyway that doesn't just have the top teams getting byes and a few also rans who basically play their own competition - not a world cup. To condense mine I'll try...
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Cut down to 7? It is going to be difficult as I said to hit 5. Six may be possible but I don't think it will be fair and evenly matched throughout.'"
No, the football world cup does not last 7 weeks. It lasts just over 4 weeks (11th June - 11th July). And unlike football, you can't consistently have mid-week games in rugby league.
Every other World Cup in recent times has lasted a similar length of time (about 5 weekends). It won't be any different this time, especially 2 weeks extra. It just isn't financially viable, let alone there aren't enough weeks in the season (if you think they'll change the NRL season or SL season to accommodate then you'll be disappointed).
5 weekends maximum. There isn't enough room for anything else.
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| Quote: Wellsy13 "No, the football world cup does not last 7 weeks. It lasts just over 4 weeks (11th June - 11th July). And unlike football, you can't consistently have mid-week games in rugby league. '"
Oh well, I only looked at the format (7 rounds) and presumed. I don't watch it anyway it bores me to death
After all, who knew RL had internationals.
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| Quote: Bovrick "Oh well, I only looked at the format (7 rounds) and presumed. I don't watch it anyway it bores me to death
Just checked the format for the union world cup on Wikipedia. Says 44 days (7th September - 20th October), so 6 weeks (7 weekends). The difference between their World Cup and the football and RL ones is that they run theirs through the domestic season. The Guiness Premiership is still running during their World Cup, something I very much doubt would happen in SL.
And my format did have 6 rounds yes, and it probably would have to have one mid-week game. The last two World Cups both had 1 round that was mid-week, just something I think is a bit inevitable. But one is an absolute maximum.
I still don't get how you've managed to make it last 8 weeks with 14 teams anyway. Surely 2-3 group games, quarters, semis then final makes 6 rounds? Why the unneeded play-off format at the end? Just makes it longer than it needs to be, and longer than we can afford.
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| The main thing I don't like about this 14 team idea is that it is going to leave is with groups of 3 and the unfair advantages/disadvantages the teams in them groups will face.
Perhaps one option is to have the teams in one group of 3 play the teams in the other group of 3 instead of their own?
e.g. (seedings in brackets)
Group A - England (1), Fiji (2), Lebanon (3)
Group B - Australia (1), Tonga (2), Ireland (3)
Group C - New Zeland (1), Wales (2), Scotland (3), Cook Islands (4)
Group D - Papua New Guinea (1), France (2), Samoa (3), USA (4)
So England won't play Fiji and Lebanon, they'd play Australia, Tonga and Ireland.
And Australia will play England, Fiji and Lebanon.
Group C and D as normal.
This allows us to seperate the big teams then, yet still have that all-important Aus vs England game to start the tournament.
No fangled Super Groups. And one hell of a lot easier to understand for the public.
3 group games, top two from each to quarters.
I think that's the best format possible if keeping it simple is the aim. And certainly the fairest with 14 teams.
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| why not seed it then draw it from a hat
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| Quote: Dico "why not seed it then draw it from a hat'"
That would also make it fairer. The teams I've put in are just examples, but the main emphasis was meant on the seeding process.
I don't think they'll draw teams out of a hat though. They'll want to make as attractive fixtures as possible IMO so will most likely group them in a certain way.
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| Quote: Wellsy13 "I still don't get how you've managed to make it last 8 weeks with 14 teams anyway. Surely 2-3 group games, quarters, semis then final makes 6 rounds? Why the unneeded play-off format at the end? Just makes it longer than it needs to be, and longer than we can afford.'"
Because there was no fair way of getting striaght into quarters that I could think of.
I am all up for giving the better teams an easier run, but not at the expense of the lower teams, who could potentially pull a shocker and wanted to accomadate for that. Unless I suppose you draw randomly into 2 groups of 3 and 4 and the top two of either group goes straight through, there is a massive bias towards the top teams in the ones I have read. In mine I think if the best teams were all from the minor groups (unlikely I know) then the top four would end up coming from these groups, whereas in others only those from the top groups and a couple from the others get a shot.
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