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So where is all the chest-beating now that it turns out that the original figures were wrong? From today's Sydney Morning Herald:
"The NRL's belief strong grand-final ratings last weekend would help their next TV deal was punctured slightly with the revelation yesterday the AFL's decider had in fact beaten its rugby league counterpart in national ratings, not the reverse as had been claimed originally. Recalibrated figures lifted the AFL's ratings by almost 400,000 nationally."
Personally I don't understand why anyone would watch Aussie Rules but there it is. Clearly the NRL is not doing a good enough job selling its superior product.
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| I think thats a load of crap top be honest.
They were beaten by 200,000, now they found 600,000 from SOMEWHERE?
That would be like finding the biggest audience in Sydney on any given night! 
It would also go against all the other indicators which indicate the NRL was the bigger event. |
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| Quote: dally messenger "weve effectively killed off union in aus, nz is going backwards
so for a sport that claims to be global, having it weak in two major countries is a problem
but hey, the game is booming in japan and russia
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You may be right that Union is in big trouble in Australia but in the scheme of things Australia is a small market in the world stage the figures for internationals alone in the northern hemisphere dwarf anything League can do can do, Add to that South Africa, Argentina, & the Pacific Islands & I have not mentioned NZ. I dont like it, like you I think it is a poor game compared with league but I can not argue that a hell of a lot more people know about & follow Union than League. I would also say that even in the hot bed of british League, Hull, the numbers playing Union in the surrounding areas well out number League players there are more teams in the East riding of Yorkshire that play union most of the clubs have purpose built modern grounds with numbers that make League look small. Remember that when league split away in 1895 around 80% stayed with the Union & have played ever since. there was also a big surge in the numbers of union clubs in the 1950/60's with the secondary education expansion after the war. As I have said before we are a minority sport even compared to Union & they are dwarfed by soccer. So what happens in two states of Australia is of little consequence in the big picture, except to say that if it had not been for the ARL being a strong hold I think League in the UK would have folded as a pro sport by now.
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| Quote: Catalancs "And how many turned up the week after and how many have turned up since?
The rugby union premiership teams should be getting much higher crowds than they are. As you pointed out, they get superb national media coverage and tons of free publicity therein. The fact that some are below Super League crowds is embarrassing.
Don't forget what we're always told, that rugby league is a northern minority sport. A minority sport that has comparable attendances with the all conquering, global leviathan that is rugby union.'"
Except when the Union boys play Internationals well over a million will attend the six nation games. they get around the same money as League do from sky plus they have terestrial channels paying to show games, two multinational brewers sponsoring them add to that the Autum International programe they knock us into a cocked hat. & with a game that is a poor spectacle compared to League, Us not likeing it cant change the facts we are a minority sport except in two states of Australia & PNG. |
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| Quote: Beverley red "You may be right that Union is in big trouble in Australia but in the scheme of things Australia is a small market in the world stage the figures for internationals alone in the northern hemisphere dwarf anything League can do can do, Add to that South Africa, Argentina, & the Pacific Islands & I have not mentioned NZ. I dont like it, like you I think it is a poor game compared with league but I can not argue that a hell of a lot more people know about & follow Union than League. I would also say that even in the hot bed of british League, Hull, the numbers playing Union in the surrounding areas well out number League players there are more teams in the East riding of Yorkshire that play union most of the clubs have purpose built modern grounds with numbers that make League look small. Remember that when league split away in 1895 around 80% stayed with the Union & have played ever since. there was also a big surge in the numbers of union clubs in the 1950/60's with the secondary education expansion after the war. As I have said before we are a minority sport even compared to Union & they are dwarfed by soccer. So what happens in two states of Australia is of little consequence in the big picture, except to say that if it had not been for the ARL being a strong hold I think League in the UK would have folded as a pro sport by now.'"
the whole S14 is in trouble
after australia, NZ is next
the sport isnt growing anywhere
its rules are complicated, its game error strewn and boring
as more people see RL theyll forget about union
taking out the 6 Nations union has little going for it in england either
union has good reason to fear a sport like RL |
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| Quote: Catalancs "And how many turned up the week after and how many have turned up since?
The rugby union premiership teams should be getting much higher crowds than they are. As you pointed out, they get superb national media coverage and tons of free publicity therein. The fact that some are below Super League crowds is embarrassing.
Don't forget what we're always told, that rugby league is a northern minority sport. A minority sport that has comparable attendances with the all conquering, global leviathan that is rugby union.'"
look at all the publicity sale get and their crowds have what ? halved?
newcastle crowds have dropped too
with all the media they get, you cant flog a dead horse
union gets by on a bunch of people turning out for its internationals who have zero interest in the club game |
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| Quote: Beverley red "Except when the Union boys play Internationals well over a million will attend the six nation games. they get around the same money as League do from sky plus they have terestrial channels paying to show games, two multinational brewers sponsoring them add to that the Autum International programe they knock us into a cocked hat. & with a game that is a poor spectacle compared to League, Us not likeing it cant change the facts we are a minority sport except in two states of Australia & PNG.'"
union is a minority sport everywhere except nz, some pacific islands and maybe wales
the population of nsw and queensland exceeds those above where union is dominant
union is a small sport which has to lie about its popularity |
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| Quote: The Glorious League Freak "I think thats a load of crap top be honest.
They were beaten by 200,000, now they found 600,000 from SOMEWHERE?
That would be like finding the biggest audience in Sydney on any given night! ![]()
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| Quote: Beverley red "they get around the same money as League do from sky plus they have terestrial channels paying to show games, two multinational brewers sponsoring them add to that the Autum International programe they knock us into a cocked hat. & with a game that is a poor spectacle compared to League, Us not likeing it cant change the facts we are a minority sport except in two states of Australia & PNG.'"
The fact that the BBC pay rugby league lip service and ITV aren't interested is hardly the fault of the game. I'd be looking to lay the blame at the feet of the old boys who run the said television companies.
Like I said, rugby league is a minority sport and rugby union is a global monster. The very fact that we are able to compare the two is a tribute to rugby league. |
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| Quote: JBS "So where is all the chest-beating now that it turns out that the original figures were wrong? From today's Sydney Morning Herald
As we all knew. AFL, australias number 1 sport
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maybe the NRL should come out and add another 1.5 million to there tally,the pubs and clubs would have been buzzing in NSW and Queensland,and especially in victard also.
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tv rating figures are always a bit odd.
I'm sure i read something earlier today from the heraldsun that said the AFL actually rated higher than the NRL GF.
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| amazing how a week later they come out with the extra numbers, when the NRL beat them hands down.
they must of payed off someone just so it can go in there favour.the AFL are a absolute sooky...can't handle the fact that we beat there sorry
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| Quote: Catalancs "The fact that the BBC pay rugby league lip service and ITV aren't interested is hardly the fault of the game. I'd be looking to lay the blame at the feet of the old boys who run the said television companies.
Like I said, rugby league is a minority sport and rugby union is a global monster. The very fact that we are able to compare the two is a tribute to rugby league.'"
I dont blame the game & I agree it is a compliment to league to be even compared but the Aussies posting on here wont understand that their small little world down there is only a small part of the whole picture & they have no comprehension that France & the British Isles is 100 million people most of who dont even know league exists. they say Union/super 14 is dying, well probably more people watch it in Europe than Australia & NZ put together. those people dont ever see league & are quiet happy to watch a game thay they will have played as school kids. That is a lot of viewers to advertise to. I just find it a bit silly the Aussies squabling about viewing numbers when even if every man jack of them watched League they would still be a drop in the sea compared to Unions numbers world wide. Like you say it is a testamony to the devotion of League followers that we are still going. |
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| Quote: dally messenger "the whole S14 is in trouble
after australia, NZ is next
the sport isnt growing anywhere
its rules are complicated, its game error strewn and boring
as more people see RL theyll forget about union
True but if they have not seen or dont even know about league what have they to compare it to? a lot will have played it as kids & in local clubs. they are quiet happy with it.
taking out the 6 Nations union has little going for it in england either
You realy dont even understand do you? Union's strenght is the small clubs up & down the country wich not only provide large numbers of people of all abilitys a chance to play something League finds hard to do. We dont have social sides, I am nearly 60 & some of my contempories still turn out every week.My nearest watering hole is the local Union club! I took a straw poll a couple of years ago none of the people i asked had ever been to see a guiness premiership game but most went as often as they could to internationals/barbarians. The small clubs & Internationals keep the pro Union clubs afloat they are the people who watch TV & they number in millions across Europe. League struggles not because they hate us they just prefer their game as we prefer our game. They dont on the whole wish us any harm & will watch occasionaly. My mate sat next to me is a Union man he actualy likes the scrumming & gets bored watching League he says there is no variety in the play.He comes to the odd supper league match with me but would not pay to go every week he dose not follow a pro Union side & has never been to a live pro game either but goes to nearly every Union international.
union has good reason to fear a sport like RL
Union in the northern Hemisphere wont worry about League they are quiet content & the money the Southern hemisphere sides make touring Europe will keep the ARU & NZ afloat even if no one watches at home.
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