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Cumbrian sides with
1. Biggest fan base =
2. Best Ground =
3. Most money =
4. Biggest potential =
5. Best catchment area =
6. Commercially viable =
Which clubs are top in each ?
What about starting a club in Carlise, then we don't need to worry about expanding into Scotland. Gateshead and Carlise could then have the pick of the Scottish talent
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| Quote: Wire_Yed_79 "Cumbrian sides with
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| Quote: Saint Simon "'" ]
That answers it then really, pretty much a non discussion |
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| Quote: Wire_Yed_79 "That answers it then really, pretty much a non discussion'"
Currently, they are way out in front IMO |
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| Quote: marvwoodburn "In all fairness Starbug, its not about the last 5 years If it was I would agree, 'haven are best placed. Its about the next 5 and on that there is no doubt that Barrow are the Cumbrian RL side on the up.
Other than that your about cock on.'"
Dont forget I was replying to this
Quote: marvwoodburn "]Thats exactly the paradox in cumbrian, you cant merge teams because of the rivalry and the distance, but the clubs are possibly not big enough on their own. At the moment i think Barrow are best placed.[/quote]
My point being that yes Barrow are best placed now , Worky were best placed in 95 , Haven have been best placed recently , so all clubs are having some relative success but I dont personally think any of them will ever pull in the numbers unless they get some really serious investment
And I'm talking about £ 30 million , to build a stadium [ that the club either owns or runs , just renting/using a council facility doesn't make the club enough money ] and to finance a competitive squad in SL for 5 years while they build a fan base big enough to support said club
It really does need that amount to be certain of success
Scary isn't it 
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| Quote: Starbug "
And I'm talking about £ 30 million , to build a stadium [ that the club either owns or runs , just renting/using a council facility doesn't make the club enough money ] and to finance a competitive squad in SL for 5 years while they build a fan base big enough to support said club
It really does need that amount to be certain of success
Scary isn't it ![]()
Barrow are going to redevelop Craven Park completely on the existing site. Building a new stadium in todays financial world would be suicide.
£30M is WAY over the top IMO. A total redevelopment can be done for a surprisingly low amount, as no land needs to be purchased. 'Brown field' developments also attract fundng/grants etc.
For arguments sake, if Barrow were to enter SL next season our crowds over the course of the season would be bigger than Quins and Celtics, maybe Salford and Wakefield as well. That would just be for starters.
Getting into SL massively increases sponsorship, Sky cash, season ticket sales, merchandse sales and much more.
Just a few stats you may (or may not) find intersting .......
Barrow (pop. 72,000), Cas (37,500), Leigh (44,000), Wakefield (76,000), Wigan (81,000), Haven (25,500), Widnes (53,500), Workington (46,000).
I know they don't prove anything other than the potential of Barrow as a SL club.
Catchment when you take in S. Cumbria is well over 100,000. You also have to remember that there are no other clubs competing for support within 1.5 hours drive. Unlike the SL over-saturated areas along the M62.
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1. Biggest fan base = Probably Whitehaven just
2. Best Ground = Whitehaven 7500 but a bit of a dump
Barrow 4500 small but nice ground
Workington 10,000 shared with speedway and with global warming probably underwater in 10 years
3. Most money = Barrow heavy financial backer
4. Biggest potential = because of the money Barrow
5. Best catchment area = probably Barrow even though they are the most southerly but Carlisle would be the best option
6. Commercially viable = Money brings security so Barrow
Current League Standings
Barrow: 2nd League 1
Whitehaven: 5th League 1
Workington: 8th League 2
Whitehaven and Workington are only 7 miles apart so if a merger was to be done it would probably have to be these 2 teams
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| Quote: Wire_Yed_79 "1. Biggest fan base
Barrow are currently averaging 2,200 in the league, 2,500 in all games.
Haven are averaging about 1,600 in the league.
Craven Park holds 6,275 (the capacity crowd we got vs Wigan in the cup). There was bags of room in many areas of the ground so with a few crushbarriers it would go up to 8K+ no problem. It has been looked into and the 'footprint' of the ground could easily accommodate the SL minimum requirements of 12,000 once redeveloped.
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| Quote: SRC "Barrow are currently averaging 2,200 in the league, 2,500 in all games.
Haven are averaging about 1,600 in the league.
Craven Park holds 6,275 (the capacity crowd we got vs Wigan in the cup). There was bags of room in many areas of the ground so with a few crushbarriers it would go up to 8K+ no problem. It has been looked into and the 'footprint' of the ground could easily accommodate the SL minimum requirements of 12,000 once redeveloped.'"
got the ground figure wrong i do apologise, but i do agree Barrow are the strongly placed cumbrian team |
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| Quote: Wire_Yed_79 "got the ground figure wrong i do apologise, but i do agree Barrow are the strongly placed cumbrian team'"
No problem mate.
Things are really on the up at Barrow, but SL still seems like a dream. At the end of the day the RFL handpick who they want. We tick more boxes than Celtics and probably a couple others, but they were fast-tracked through the NL's with unlimited overseas quota etc. |
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SRC-" 'Brown field' developments also attract fundng/grants etc."
I think this is actually the other way round and this is why most super league teams are building new stadia on "green field" sites.
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| Quote: ratchet "SRC-" 'Brown field' developments also attract fundng/grants etc."
I think this is actually the other way round and this is why most super league teams are building new stadia on "green field" sites.'"
Saints arn't, and i do beleive the regeneration aspect helped with planning |
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| Quote: bluesox4evaaa "not on the showing of fax at cas, and dont say it was a one-off some of our play in that game was like watching brazil'"
Woah, woah, woah... they play RL in Brazil?? Has anyone informed Richard Lewis? Rio Rebels for 2012  |
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| Quote: Wire_Yed_79 "1. Biggest fan base
1. Historically, during periods of success, Workington have consistently had higher crowds than either Barrow or Haven.
2. The ground is not 'shared' with speedway. Town own the ground and rent it out to the Comets on Saturday evenings for the speedway meetings.
However, if Barrow want to go for it then good luck to them. I hope it works out for them if it's what they want. I only hope they realise the implications of getting there and failing.
As a Town fan I don't ever want Workington to aim for SL again. We've been there, done that, had the financial ruination of the club that we have never recovered from.
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| Quote: Derwent "1. Historically, during periods of success, Workington have consistently had higher crowds than either Barrow or Haven.
2. The ground is not 'shared' with speedway. Town own the ground and rent it out to the Comets on Saturday evenings for the speedway meetings.
However, if Barrow want to go for it then good luck to them. I hope it works out for them if it's what they want. I only hope they realise the implications of getting there and failing.
As a Town fan I don't ever want Workington to aim for SL again. We've been there, done that, had the financial ruination of the club that we have never recovered from.'"
Hence the need for a huge investment |
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