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Quote: SmokeyTA "And, if he isnt good enough for the NRL he isnt good enough'"



Quote: SmokeyTA "a 4th tier australian is as good as most british players'"


Quote: SmokeyTA "The Aussies arent always of better quality, again we know this because the british players play for SL sides, often better than your mid-table outfit.'"



Quote: SmokeyTA "a 4th tier australian is as good as most british players'"




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//www.pngnrlbid.com [quote="bUsTiNyAbALLs":9q9d2t35]Do not converse with me you filthy minded deviant.[/quote:9q9d2t35] [quote="vastman":9q9d2t35]My rage isn't impotent luv, I'm frothing at the mouth actually.[/quote:9q9d2t35]:



Quote: Mild Rover "Now that is a good question.
The club needed to get up to SL speed rapidly in 2007. The 2006 NL squad provided a base - 16 of them played SL in 2007 iirc (excluding Welham and I'anson). 7 of them from overseas, admitedly, but it was a squad put together to do a job and it did it. Only Fisher remains from the overseas contingent. Cockayne, Murrell and Netherton are the other survivors. The overhaul saw us sign a lot of players. It was short-termism, but we had a pressing short-term goal. We needed SL experience and as favourites to go down weren't spoilt for choice. We signed Brits like Ward, Chester, Cooke and Hardman on loan, but overseas players of varying quality were crucial - Vella, O'Neill, Gene, Dyer, Bauer, Gannon, Lennon, Lovegrove, Tandy. A motley bunch, but they were willing and, as it turned out, able to do what we needed. As an aside, only 3 were new to British RL. 2008 was building for the future we had another clear out and bought in half a new team more or less. It was a mix of Brits and antipodeans (Briscoe, Fox, Walker; Webster, Galea, Newton, Crossman, Fitzhenry. Dobson replaced Webster Mk1 midway through the season). This turned out to be a piece of accidental genius. Newton and Galea, along with Vella were all superb signings and ultimately qualified for fed-trained status. After that splurge, recruitment for 2009 and 2010 was predictably low key with only Clinton arriving from overseas. Now the quota is starting to impact the market, driving up the value of experienced fed-trained players as they become a scarcer commodity. But lucky old Hull KR have a couple of quota spots spare, so have access to a buyers' market.
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Quote: SmokeyTA "Rhys Lovegrove and Ben Fisher probably arent in the top 300 Antipodean players, so the fact that not all our best players are as good as the top Antipodean players is irrelevant. '"


Rhys Lovegrove and Ben Fisher are Scottish. So that would be 8 non British players in Rovers' squad next season.
Potentially only one more than Leeds (at the moment) God knows what old age pensioner of an Aussie the former champions are going to sign next. It really is pathetic. icon_evil.gif

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Quote: Barnacle Bill "Rhys Lovegrove and Ben Fisher are Scottish. So that would be 8 non British players in Rovers' squad next season.'"
Rhys Lovegrove the Sydney born and raised former st george player and Ben Fisher the Sydney born and raised former North Sydney player
Quote: Barnacle Bill "Potentially only one more than Leeds (at the moment) God knows what old age pensioner of an Aussie the former champions are going to sign next. It really is pathetic.
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Quote: SmokeyTA "These players being better than the players you have brought through whilst you have admittedly neglected your youth development system isnt justification for you signing them to the detriment of young british players.'"


Whereas signing grandad Cross will be a positive boon to the prospects of young English players. d040.gif

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Quote: Barnacle Bill "Whereas signing grandad Cross will be a positive boon to the prospects of young English players. I have said already said Leeds have too many, would you like me to say it again?

Leeds have too many

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Quote: Mrs Barista "Some reasonable points, apart from your view that there are no more than 3 decent English HBs in the competition, but this is just a bit silly IMOany team in the competition could simply list the promoted academy players they have to include in their squad to make up the homegrown quota and claim they will be the successors to their marquee overseas players. Until that actually happens, it's nonsense - writing a list of junior players that you have to have in your squad means nothing. '"


The claim of only 3 'young' excellent halfbacks was a claim against us not being able to find someone as good to come through immediately, not just halfbacks on mass and was mentioned in an earlier post to smokey, maybe you missed the young up and coming part?

And who else is going to replace our marquee overseas players as the quota comes domes down? The list of juniors includes Watts who played 26 games, like you say the real deal, Hodgson played 18 first team games this season but playing few minutes and looks very promising, Taylor played 3 times and hasn't looked out of his depth, made his debut in the play off game against Leeds in 2009 which is no mean feat, so 3 out of 5 isn't a nonsense and I think you are doing a disservice to all the juniors of all clubs by saying they are just there to make up the numbers, shame on you Mrs B. They are there to learn from the best and to be in and around quality players will only help them achieve the ambition of following in their footsteps. I could have mentioned Sam Latus too who played 7 times and had a mare against your lot but in all other games he looked solid especially against a large hudds team when we drew away. Cox is 6'3" and again looked good in the reserves and qualifies for the academy.



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Quote: SmokeyTA "sorry maybe the question wasnt clear. Why are you signing overseas players to replace senior british players and not young british players.'"


Because a squad needs a balance of youth and experience. Craig Hall could be a decent signing, well worth a punt, but you need a few players you can rely on and that you know are ready and able.

Quote: SmokeyTA "Is it really acceptable to try and seek advantage by employing more overseas players than everyone else to the detriment of young british players.'"


You deal with the world as it is. Seeking an advantage within the rules is something I'm comfortable with. It isn't to the detriment of young British players IMO - Mason, Green and Hall I regard as being replacements for Cooke, Mills and Walker. It'd have been nice if Mariano, I'anson and Dominic Dee could have filled those spots, but it was not to be. I expect players to come through in ones and twos, not, typically 4s and 5s in a year. This year saw the emergence of Liam Watts, hopefully we'll get 4 or 5 more over the course of the next franchise. And - crucially - be able to hold on to the better ones.


Quote: SmokeyTA "so where you have been lucky is that players like Dobson and Lovegrove who should have been quota players wont be, and when players like Vella and Galea retire they can be replaced by overseas players because the players who should be counted on the quota, arent. And it is conceivable, maybe even probable that it could be a good 10 years until Dobson and Lovegrove retire that Hull KA start playing with the quota rules as they should be, and they dont reach the quota levels the RFL expected of them last year @7 overseas players until 2020. That Hull KA are 'lucky' in the fact they can be up to 11 years behind their overseas targets.

well thats something to be proud of i suppose'"


Dobson is a quota player. The Lovegrove situation is a quirk of the system - he is club-trained (initially by dispensation, but he'd qualify based on the most recent iteration of the rules anyway). Who you think should and shouldn't count on the quota matters very little - the RFL decides and HKR make their choices based on that. I thought Barista was being harsh slagging us off for 2012, but 2020 - wow. icon_smile.gif
Hopefully HKR will have produced a good number of SL players by then. Whether they come through playing alongside players from Cas or Canberra, St. Helens or Sydney is a reflection on others more than us.

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Clubs , these are the organisations set up to oversee the operations of the teams , their main concern is generally their own welfare , ie the need to remain in the comepetition , achieve as high a finishing position as they can and make sensible business decisions for their own and the teams benifit

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Quote: SmokeyTA "Green isnt better than what is available, in fact i would be suprised if you had actually ever seen him play and were relying on anything but your one-eyed club bias to back up that statement. '"


In your opinion Green is not better than what's available, I have never seen him play, have you? I don't have sky, but I trust the judgement of Morgan over you, how many overseas players does anyone see before they are signed if the games are not televised over here or they don't have access to them.

Quote: SmokeyTA " players being better than the players you have brought through whilst you have admittedly neglected your youth development system isnt justification for you signing them to the detriment of young british players. '"


Who said anything about neglecting our youth system, I said we probably havn't been able to spend as much as established sl teams simply because our income has to be spent in all areas that need improving i.e. ground improvements, facilities etc. especially in our first seasons and we are still having to spend in other areas but we are doing well and going in the right direction as I have previously commented on which you have failed to take on board.

Quote: SmokeyTA " is inferior in defense, which was what he was being compared on. he doesnt miss a few more tackles, he misses lots more tackles.'"


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