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Quote: SmokeyTA "Shaul and Russell arent very good, they would get eaten up by lower NRL sides, never mind Aus and NZ.'"


Lucky for you Russell will be playing for Scotland. Try doing some research before writing players off. icon_lol.gif

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Quote: Vespid_Wire "Lucky for you Russell will be playing for Scotland. Try doing some research before writing players off. you are right, it is lucky for me. I want to see England win the thing.

Whats the over/under going to be for Scotland v Aus/NZ +40?

Though im sure they know all about Russell after his stellar NRL career.

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Quote: NSW "Hardacher
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Watkins
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Hall
Tomkins
Widdop
Graham
Hodgeson
SBurgess
Currie
Bateman
O'loughlin

GBurgess
TBurgess
Roby
Walemsly'"

At present, I'd go with this. However, this could be re-arranged to bring in Tomkins if he warrants a position, I've brought in Joel Tomkins in place of Brett Ferres as I feel he's far too expensive, he's a penalty whore.
Hardaker, McGilvray, Cudjoe, Watkins, Hall. Brown, Widdop, G Burgess, Roby, Graham, O'loughlin, J Tomkins,
S Burgess. Subs, Hodgson, T Burgess, Currie, Bateman.

I'm not a lover of Jack Reed, but I also feel Bennett is so I can see a probable change with Cudjoe.

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So many things can change between now and the Four nations which makes it hard to predict a line up. We'll have to see how Tomkins goes on his return before calling that one and I'm sure we'll see well established players like Hall and Watkins find some form before the seasons out. If all goes well and we had a good group of form players going in to the tournament I think our best team looks something like-

Tomkins
McGillvary
Watkins
Reed
Hall/Manfredi (that's a real tough one currently and could go either way)
Widdop
Gale (he needs to find his best form again though)
Graham
Hodgson
Hill
Currie
S Burgess
O'Loughlin (I can't believe I've seen people leave him out after last years performances)

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T Burgess
Bateman
Clark

That's as strong an England side as I can remember for a long time. There are some very good players not in that 17 like Hardaker, Walmsley, Roby etc and that highlights the strength in depth which is building. A lot of people will call their 17's and won't agree with other people's choices but that just highlights the options that have built up.

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I like that 17. Bateman is a good option on the bench cos he can cover in the centres if there's an injury in the backs.

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its our last chance before the world cup to look at those halves. Im not sure i would introduce anyone new at this point unless they were demanding a shirt. I dont think Gale is doing that right now.

(though saying that Widdop has had plenty of time to take ownership of his shirt and hasnt really done so)

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Gale's the weakest link. Browns the most skillful player in the comp and deserves a crack Chris Hill is unplayable, I forgot him and our pack looks World Class. Shame we haven't got another Cente of the ilk of Watkins.

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Quote: vastman "You really are the dogs at times.

Personally I can't think of a more legitimate claim for producing a player but then seeing it from your side it would mean most of the recent Shudds teams were "produced" by Wakefield let it go man! seek help.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "its our last chance before the world cup to look at those halves. Im not sure i would introduce anyone new at this point unless they were demanding a shirt. I dont think Gale is doing that right now.

(though saying that Widdop has had plenty of time to take ownership of his shirt and hasnt really done so)'"


If it isn't somebody new then it's Widdop and Smith and even as a Wigan fan I can't remotely see how Smith can warrent an England spot on this years form (and last years). The other option from last year then is George Williams but he's not played much this year due to injury and is still raw (although a fabulous talent). I'd have him in the squad if he finds last years form but him and Widdop are a bit similar for me.

We'll be looking at picking three halves in the squad I'd imagine and aside from Widdop it all feels pretty open. I'd say Williams, Smith, Gale, Brown, Mellor, Sneyd and even Richie Myler will all feel like they have a shot. I could see Betts having an influence in any decision so Brown must be a fair chance.

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I've never rated Myler much, but it would be churlish to deny he's going well at the Cats. So he is at least a half in form. Right now, anyway.

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Quote: meast "let it go man! seek help.'"


No, you can't have it both ways - if we didn't produce Brough then we did produce Atkins for example - I'm only following your logic.

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Quote: NickyKiss "So many things can change between now and the Four nations which makes it hard to predict a line up. We'll have to see how Tomkins goes on his return before calling that one and I'm sure we'll see well established players like Hall and Watkins find some form before the seasons out. If all goes well and we had a good group of form players going in to the tournament I think our best team looks something like-

Tomkins
McGillvary
Watkins
Reed
Hall/Manfredi (that's a real tough one currently and could go either way)
Widdop
Gale (he needs to find his best form again though)
Graham
Hodgson
Hill
Currie
S Burgess
O'Loughlin (I can't believe I've seen people leave him out after last years performances)

Subs
G Burgess
T Burgess
Bateman
Clark

That's as strong an England side as I can remember for a long time. There are some very good players not in that 17 like Hardaker, Walmsley, Roby etc and that highlights the strength in depth which is building. A lot of people will call their 17's and won't agree with other people's choices but that just highlights the options that have built up.'"


I'd put Johnstone ahead of all three of those wingers - but hey.

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Watkins
Reed
Hall
Tomkins
Widdop
Graham
Hodgeson
SBurgess
Currie
Bateman
O'loughlin

GBurgess
TBurgess
Roby
Walemsly'"
Anyone who wouldn't put Chris Hill in England's 17 needs serious help

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Quote: NickyKiss "So many things can change between now and the Four nations which makes it hard to predict a line up. We'll have to see how Tomkins goes on his return before calling that one and I'm sure we'll see well established players like Hall and Watkins find some form before the seasons out. If all goes well and we had a good group of form players going in to the tournament I think our best team looks something like-

Tomkins
McGillvary
Watkins
Reed
Hall/Manfredi (that's a real tough one currently and could go either way)
Widdop
Gale (he needs to find his best form again though)
Graham
Hodgson
Hill
Currie
S Burgess
O'Loughlin (I can't believe I've seen people leave him out after last years performances)

Subs
G Burgess
T Burgess
Bateman
Clark

That's as strong an England side as I can remember for a long time. There are some very good players not in that 17 like Hardaker, Walmsley, Roby etc and that highlights the strength in depth which is building. A lot of people will call their 17's and won't agree with other people's choices but that just highlights the options that have built up.'"


I'd go with all of this except I'd have Roby in their over Clark. Whether he starts is another question, but there'll be no drop in quality when either hooker comes off, which is great to see.

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Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
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Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
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Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
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