How so?
The OP explained their opinion regarding the Guardians lack of RL inclusiveness and pointedly cited rugby Union in their case. I have simply pointed out how misguided it was to expect a paper like the guardian to publish anything about a sport that was of no interest to its readers. Other posters piled in with their usual its not fair/it's a conspiracy posts which I have answered.
A quick glance at the VT topic list would see that this topic, together with the bulls and Nigel thread and the bottom 2 predictor topic are the only three I am currently active in. I have asked a question regarding packers jail term, but other than this particular thread, I have not mentioned or compared Union.....and in this thread, I did not open that can of worms.

Rather than whine like a little bitch in the hope of getting moderators to step in because you disagree with the point of view of a poster, even though the AUP hasn't been broken, could I respectfully suggest you "do one" and join the sheep elsewhere.

Its the off season, what do you expect? What do you wish to discuss?

In a thread discussing union media bias against RL you are always going to get a Union troll like Gutters piping up.

NZ home of Union Gutters, the stronghold of the all blacks and the game in the southern hemisphere? Those crowds are hardly impressive, even less when they are falling year on year, couple with the state of the union in the 2nd tier in NZ and the financial problems the NZRU still is carrying from the last RUWC and the "shakey isles" seems a very apt name for the game there.

Just needs the NRL to get its act together and start supporting the NZRL and the game over there now to see a similiar decline we have seen for Union in Australia. Before you know it the Warriors under 20's will be drawing bigger audiences than S15.

The Warriors themselves would need to overtake ANZAC Netball before thinking about getting the added 100k+ they would need to get close to a poorly supported S15 franchise first.....but you carry on peddling your snake oil if you must, as it is only lies and old stories that you have in your nal!



As for the NZRU, they posted a profit for the last full year and are in no trouble financially as a result of the last RWC.

No comment on the AB's getting $4,000,000 for 1 game whilst the NRL scrape around to reward their winners with far less for an entire season?

Quote JB Down Under="JB Down Under"In a thread discussing union media bias against RL you are always going to get a Union troll like Gutters piping up.'" Hmmm...you seem more preoccupied with Union than anyone else in this thread..... Quote JB Down Under="JB Down Under"Me thinks being a Ru fan living in NZ you should concern yourself with matters closer to home: Deloitte Sports Review of the 14 semi-professional and amateur rugby unions competing in New Zealand’s premier provincial rugby competition, the ITM Cup. Through a financial review of each union’s annual financial accounts, our findings show that collectively revenues are falling and accumulated reserves are being eroded. This, combined with the well documented difficulties of several unions, highlights the increasing pressures placed on those charged with the operational and financial stewardship of the game. Financial Performance There has been a significant decline in revenues over the previous five financial years, falling by $16 million, or 19%, to $68 million in FY11. Approximately 50% of this decline occurred in the most recent financial year. Key revenue streams are sponsorship and grants, and match related revenues. Other revenues include transfer fees, event/franchise management, insurance proceeds and sundry revenue. The $16 million decline in revenue is primarily related to lower match related incomes, which has fallen from $21 million to $9 million over the five years, representing a drop of 58%. Income from grants and sponsorship is heavily reliant on contributions from the NZRU and grants from gaming operators. The five provincial unions with professional Super Rugby based teams generate in excess of 50% of total revenues although the extent of this has declined from 55% to 51% between FY07 to FY11. As a consequence of declining revenues, total expenditures have reduced across the major categories: team and match related costs, growing the game and administration expenses. The chart to the right highlights that the greatest reduction is with team and match costs, suggesting those in management positions are consciously reducing match and player costs with falling revenues. Collectively, the unions have not generated a consolidated operating profit in any of the last five years. Losses range between $0.6 million to almost $7 million, although the consolidated deficit dropped to its lowest level in FY11. In total, cumulative operating losses over this period amount to $16 million. www.deloitte.com/assets/Dcom-New ... w_2012.pdf'" Quote JB Down Under="JB Down Under"Seems Rugby (sic) is on the nose across NZ The Crusaders continue to be one of the most popular teams in Super Rugby despite a season of mixed results and decreasing crowd numbers at home. The seven-time championship winning side have drawn an average crowd size of 14,600 to AMI Stadium this year, a decrease from 17,300 last season but still enough to have them second only to the Auckland-based Blues for New Zealand sides. Things aren't so rosy for the Hurricanes however with an average of 11,200 at Westpac Stadium.'" Quote JB Down Under="JB Down Under"In a thread discussing union media bias against RL you are always going to get a Union troll like Gutters piping up. NZ home of Union Gutters, the stronghold of the all blacks and the game in the southern hemisphere? Those crowds are hardly impressive, even less when they are falling year on year, couple with the state of the union in the 2nd tier in NZ and the financial problems the NZRU still is carrying from the last RUWC and the "shakey isles" seems a very apt name for the game there. Just needs the NRL to get its act together and start supporting the NZRL and the game over there now to see a similiar decline we have seen for Union in Australia. Before you know it the Warriors under 20's will be drawing bigger audiences than S15.'" ....is there something you're not telling us?

Quote JB Down Under="JB Down Under"In a thread discussing union media bias against RL you are always going to get a Union troll like Gutters piping up.'" Hmmm...you seem more preoccupied with Union than anyone else in this thread..... Quote JB Down Under="JB Down Under"Me thinks being a Ru fan living in NZ you should concern yourself with matters closer to home: Deloitte Sports Review of the 14 semi-professional and amateur rugby unions competing in New Zealand’s premier provincial rugby competition, the ITM Cup. Through a financial review of each union’s annual financial accounts, our findings show that collectively revenues are falling and accumulated reserves are being eroded. This, combined with the well documented difficulties of several unions, highlights the increasing pressures placed on those charged with the operational and financial stewardship of the game. Financial Performance There has been a significant decline in revenues over the previous five financial years, falling by $16 million, or 19%, to $68 million in FY11. Approximately 50% of this decline occurred in the most recent financial year. Key revenue streams are sponsorship and grants, and match related revenues. Other revenues include transfer fees, event/franchise management, insurance proceeds and sundry revenue. The $16 million decline in revenue is primarily related to lower match related incomes, which has fallen from $21 million to $9 million over the five years, representing a drop of 58%. Income from grants and sponsorship is heavily reliant on contributions from the NZRU and grants from gaming operators. The five provincial unions with professional Super Rugby based teams generate in excess of 50% of total revenues although the extent of this has declined from 55% to 51% between FY07 to FY11. As a consequence of declining revenues, total expenditures have reduced across the major categories: team and match related costs, growing the game and administration expenses. The chart to the right highlights that the greatest reduction is with team and match costs, suggesting those in management positions are consciously reducing match and player costs with falling revenues. Collectively, the unions have not generated a consolidated operating profit in any of the last five years. Losses range between $0.6 million to almost $7 million, although the consolidated deficit dropped to its lowest level in FY11. In total, cumulative operating losses over this period amount to $16 million. www.deloitte.com/assets/Dcom-New ... w_2012.pdf'" Quote JB Down Under="JB Down Under"Seems Rugby (sic) is on the nose across NZ The Crusaders continue to be one of the most popular teams in Super Rugby despite a season of mixed results and decreasing crowd numbers at home. The seven-time championship winning side have drawn an average crowd size of 14,600 to AMI Stadium this year, a decrease from 17,300 last season but still enough to have them second only to the Auckland-based Blues for New Zealand sides. Things aren't so rosy for the Hurricanes however with an average of 11,200 at Westpac Stadium.'" Quote JB Down Under="JB Down Under"In a thread discussing union media bias against RL you are always going to get a Union troll like Gutters piping up. NZ home of Union Gutters, the stronghold of the all blacks and the game in the southern hemisphere? Those crowds are hardly impressive, even less when they are falling year on year, couple with the state of the union in the 2nd tier in NZ and the financial problems the NZRU still is carrying from the last RUWC and the "shakey isles" seems a very apt name for the game there. Just needs the NRL to get its act together and start supporting the NZRL and the game over there now to see a similiar decline we have seen for Union in Australia. Before you know it the Warriors under 20's will be drawing bigger audiences than S15.'" ....is there something you're not telling us?

A meager profit for the first time in 5 years (only due to selling the all black jersey to aig) The NRL revenue is double the nzru and aru put together lol. RL is coming to get you NZ The innovative format which brings together every NRL team already has attendance at 36,000 per day two months out from the landmark tournament and is on track to virtually sell out the 44,000 capacity Eden Park on both days. With two months to go before the tournament starts, ticket revenue has passed over $3million – the highest figure ever recorded for a rugby league event in New Zealand. www.bulldogs.com.au/news-display ... cord/88605

A meager profit for the first time in 5 years (only due to selling the all black jersey to aig) The NRL revenue is double the nzru and aru put together lol. RL is coming to get you NZ The innovative format which brings together every NRL team already has attendance at 36,000 per day two months out from the landmark tournament and is on track to virtually sell out the 44,000 capacity Eden Park on both days. With two months to go before the tournament starts, ticket revenue has passed over $3million – the highest figure ever recorded for a rugby league event in New Zealand. www.bulldogs.com.au/news-display ... cord/88605

RU the least watched footy code in Australia lol

Quote JB Down Under="JB Down Under"A meager profit for the first time in 5 years (only due to selling the all black jersey to aig) The NRL revenue is double the nzru and aru put together lol. RL is coming to get you NZ The innovative format which brings together every NRL team already has attendance at 36,000 per day two months out from the landmark tournament and is on track to virtually sell out the 44,000 capacity Eden Park on both days. With two months to go before the tournament starts, ticket revenue has passed over $3million – the highest figure ever recorded for a rugby league event in New Zealand. www.bulldogs.com.au/news-display ... cord/88605'" Great stuff

Quote JB Down Under="JB Down Under"A meager profit for the first time in 5 years (only due to selling the all black jersey to aig) The NRL revenue is double the nzru and aru put together lol. RL is coming to get you NZ The innovative format which brings together every NRL team already has attendance at 36,000 per day two months out from the landmark tournament and is on track to virtually sell out the 44,000 capacity Eden Park on both days. With two months to go before the tournament starts, ticket revenue has passed over $3million – the highest figure ever recorded for a rugby league event in New Zealand. www.bulldogs.com.au/news-display ... cord/88605'" Great stuff

Who gives a shiit

I think I am supposed to



It's a game the more insecure RL fans among us play to make themselves feel better about how small RL actually is when compared to the slower, but bigger and more popular code.

For example:
Point out that the Irish Rugby Football Union, who run a sport that is behind Gaelic Football, Hurling and soccer, generates a bigger turn over than the RFL and the stock response is $1,000,000,000 for a TV deal in Australia.
or

Point out that the Welsh RFU generates more than the RFL, as does the Scottish RFU too and the stock response is State of Origin gets 4,000,000 viewers.

One of the problems with this game is that most of the "proof" delivered to show how MASSIVE RL is in Australia and how the media Bias is keeping RL down in the UK is actually only opinion. AFL is bigger in Australia and is actually a NATIONAL sport as to the NRL which has 62/5% or 10 of it's 16 sides in one state (and that's counting ACT as a state

), whilst in the UK 12 of the 14 (86%) of the teams are along 1 motorway. That means that 22 of the 30 (73%) professional clubs in RL around the world, come from 2 core regions......but this fact is ignored when discussing the supposed IRB/RFU led media bias against League. The actual viewing figures of actual viewers who tune in in greater numbers to watch Union everywhere other than Australia FTA (the pay TV records in Australia belong to Union by the way).

Aviva feel the need to pay 4 million a year for naming rights of a competition that delivers comparable attendance and viewing figures as Super League, whilst BT pay double for the rights, The RLWC delivered cut price RL to the British public but the 160,000 increase in fans didn't deliver the financial clout expected, the recent All Blacks match v England attracted 1,000,000+ viewers on Pay TV........that is 4 times the audience for the SL grand final in 2013.....but these FACTS, if the self declared defenders of the RFL faith are to be believed are not important.....well, not as important as the Guardian Newspaper, whose readership are not interested in RL, omitting a game of RL from its 2013 sports round up!

Again best to get your facts correct, in terms of population the NRL has a greater national reach of clubs as afl has NO clubs outside of capital cities.

Good to see your embarrassed by rugby unions slow death in Australia and rl's dominance and are now switching to another code to take a pop at RL, classic trolling.

AFL has teams in more states than the NRL. It also has a crowd average that is over double that of the NRL and gets bigger TV viewing figures across the board.....that's why you roll out 3 midweek pantomime games as a defence





I could have sworn the British Lions toured Australia in 2013 and quite a few people paid top dollar to watch them? I'm also pretty confident that the average attendance for Aussie SL teams in 2013 was 17,494......which is more than 15,940 isn't it? Interesting that you've moved away from NZ, but not surprising given more people in NZ tuned in to watch the B&I Lions than bothered with the Warriors in 2013.
I could have also replied to your earlier posts about the unions in NZ with a breakdown of the 14 loss making NRL clubs, not to mention that 80%+ of the NRL and RL's income is from TV, a situation that is the #1 priority to change as quickly as possible because it isn't a sustainable business model.
I could also repeat my request for your thoughts on the All Blacks getting 4 million for 1 game...more month than the NRL champs get for an entire season



BTW, I used AFL purely to show that the NRL isn't as dominant as some misguided posters on here would like us all to believe......the state you live in his a couple of AFL sides does it not? Oh...and a S15 side as well. How many NRL teams are there in WA?