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I'm never quite sure why people talk about the Wigan winning everything era was so bad.
They are not my team but I loved watching those superstars play.

It brought others up to the mark too.
Of course there are other problems in the game. But having an elite team playing great rugby, with personalities that were recognised outside the sport isn't one of them.

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It wasn't bad perse, but it did almost bankrupt a lot of the clubs, including Wigan.

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And yet since the cap was brought In to stop teams going bust Bradford have managed to go bust more than once and Widnes and Wakefield went Into administration.

Ergo, the cap is pointless and has done nothing other than decimate the game in this country

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Quote: TheWarringtonWolve69 "And yet since the cap was brought In to stop teams going bust Bradford have managed to go bust more than once and Widnes and Wakefield went Into administration.

Ergo, the cap is pointless and has done nothing other than decimate the game in this country'"


again the cap was introduced to try and equal the higher skill player to balance out the league from being dominated by one or two teams, guess what clubs can go bust spending half the cap icon_stupid.gif

your right it hasn't worked because the find ways around the cap icon_rolleyes.gif

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Quote: snowie "again the cap was introduced to try and equal the higher skill player to balance out the league from being dominated by one or two teams, guess what clubs can go bust spending half the cap
Except 3 clubs have still dominated .

I know you think it’s working because your club. on the back of going into administration and making false promises about a stadium to get a licence managed to finish in the top half for once, but it really isn’t

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Quote: snowie "again the cap was introduced to try and equal the higher skill player to balance out the league from being dominated by one or two teams, guess what clubs can go bust spending half the cap
Correct. But I beg of you don't take the bait icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: TheWarringtonWolve69 "Except 3 clubs have still dominated .

I know you think it’s working because your club. on the back of going into administration and making false promises about a stadium to get a licence managed to finish in the top half for once, but it really isn’t'"


The issue with the cap is that it was left unchanged for so long, which was ridiculous and that when clubs breach the cap, the penalties are negligible.
A salary cap seems to work ok in Union and the NRL but, dont let that prevent you from making petty points about certain clubs.
You really ought to get you facts right too icon_surprised.gifops:

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Quote: wrencat1873 "The issue with the cap is that it was left unchanged for so long, but, dont let that prevent you from [imaking petty points about certain clubs.[/i
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You could have used one word there instead of six icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: snowie "what is hilarious your club never mind your user name, Saints have won for the last 3 years and are favorites for next season yet you still whinging for more spend
The marque is nothing in comparison to inflation we would have a cap of 3m now if it had. When we realise that 3m in today's money buys of 1.6m of 1998 talent we can start to understand why the games quality has dropped so much !! Weve list over a million pounds worth of talent in each squad meaning we are attracting second rate players in general and lower home grown talent because it's not offering a great salary for a top flight sport.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "The issue with the cap is that it was left unchanged for so long, which was ridiculous and that when clubs breach the cap, the penalties are negligible.
A salary cap seems to work ok in Union and the NRL but, dont let that prevent you from making petty points about certain clubs.
You really ought to get you facts right too
What facts have I got wrong?

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The issue with the cap isn’t that it’s stayed low. The finances of the sport demanded that. There’s no point comparing the cap to average uk wages without also comparing it to club incomes that have stagnated at best.

We need a cap that incentivises the things we want. So some sort of relationship to club income (not including director or any other loans) plus some incentive to grow a clubs infrastructure.

Maybe something like:
- 50% of clubs income
- above £3m a club must also spent a certain % on marketing and a certain % goes to grass roots.

Obviously the figures and rules can be debated but some kind of system that incentivises financial and infrastructure growth of the club itself. It doesn’t prevent a wealthy owner from ploughing money in to get success but means they can’t load the club with debt and loans. And also allows wealthier clubs to spend more but are essentially taxed to help the wider game?

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The cap has it's place when used in the right way. For a while it brought a level of financial certainty. Unfortunately the cap did not change and so became a disincentive for investment and innovation. Brash though he was, Koukash was willing to invest and certainly improved our image. Now we have a game sliding towards semi professionalism that cannot find enough new stars because the wages that we offer are equivalent to those earned by shop workers whilst the risks are off the scale.

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Quote: Levrier "Brash though he was, Koukash was willing to invest.'"

Hmm....I don't get this.
Koukash, like Argyle talked a great talk, but does anyone know who was on the marquee ticket at Salford? Does anyone believe SBW saw 1% of his supposed contracted wage?

This is from wiki...so pinch of salt required...but

Quote: Levrier "Salford Red Devils
In 2013, Koukash took over the loss-making Super League club, Salford City Reds. His interest in rugby league began when he went to watch St. Helens matches with his family. He was encouraged to take ownership of Salford by the Rugby Football League chief executive Nigel Wood, who had met Koukash on a flight to Dubai. Koukash aims to make the club the biggest in Super League, rebranding them as Salford Red Devils in 2013 and signing 14 new players.

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In 2014, Koukash made public his ambitions of purchasing a team in the Australian National Rugby League (NRL) before the 2015 season. The NRL is considered world's most competitive rugby league competition, in a country where rugby league is more popular than rugby union.

In 2016, he also announced his plans to take an English team (the "British Bulldogs"icon_wink.gif and have then (sic) play in the NRL in Australia, with the help of airline and hotel sponsorship.'"


Here we are in 2021....Salford are looking a fair bet to be involved in a relegation battle in 2022, are possibly on the move to a 5k capacity stadium and other than a shiny new badge, haven't much else to show for his "supposed" investment....a Grand Final hammering, followed by 2 covid seasons and now potential relegation with a coach who knows all about the championship....

Back to the cap. It is doubtful that at least 7 of the current SL clubs aren't at the cap.....raising it will just inflate wages and make the other 5 clubs grip pn the comp stronger.

However, REMOVING IT, would level the playing field dramatically......Koukash could then get re-involved and show us the money he claimed he wanted to invest and Argyle could come back and maybe settle some of the debts he left behind icon_wink.gif

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Best of luck to Salford, and I hope they prove all the sceptics wrong. Rowley is no mug, and I want him to do a fine job at Salford.

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Quote: Cokey "Best of luck to Salford, and I hope they prove all the sceptics wrong. Rowley is no mug, and I want him to do a fine job at Salford.'"


Agreed, best of luck to the club, hope the ground move lightens the financial burden, old fans return and new ones give them a go in the new stadia.....

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