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| Quote: The Silent H "Take your blinkers off. What truths exactly?'"
The Truth that he told you right from the start and was proved correct and at times made you look daft
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| Quote: ploinerrhino "The Truth that he told you right from the start and was proved correct and at times made you look daft'"
Care to share what that was exactly?
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| Quote: pmarrow "I accept a successful English team is good for the game over here but this fixture is nothing but a money spinner for the RFL.'" It really isn't - they aren't going to make much money out of this at all. It's all about getting the England team, or some of it, together and with competitive opposition.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "I think you may need to change employment law or, at the very least change the rules on who can play for Catalan / Toulouse before you can "force" either of them to include more French born players in their respective squads..'"
I'm afraid Employment Law is an irrelevance. Les Catalans and Toulouse are only guest clubs, there by invitation.
If employment law was a bar to the game dictating how clubs should recruit then why shouldn't Wakefield sign up an all Australian team?
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| Quote: Donnyman "I'm afraid Employment Law is an irrelevance. Les Catalans and Toulouse are only guest clubs, there by invitation.
If employment law was a bar to the game dictating how clubs should recruit then why shouldn't Wakefield sign up an all Australian team?'"
still peddling the 'invitation' myth...?
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| Quote: pmarrow "I accept a successful English team is good for the game over here but this fixture is nothing but a money spinner for the RFL. It devalues the league for a start and supporters have already missed enough without there star players going to play in a pointless game. Success of England in the world Cup does not revolve around this game, half the starting line up won't even play in it anyway.'"
I'm not sure how much of a money spinner it will be.
If it is being played alongside a regular round of SL fixtures, many fans will choose watching their club side over an "International friendly", a glorified training exercise.
Going back to my earlier post, this is the very reason why the game needs some strong "local" opposition for England ie, France.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "I'm not sure how much of a money spinner it will be.
If it is being played alongside a regular round of SL fixtures, many fans will choose watching their club side over an "International friendly", a glorified training exercise.
Going back to my earlier post, this is the very reason why the game needs some strong "local" opposition for England ie, France.'"
I would be more supportive of a game against France for sure, making up a team in itself is a bit of a mockery on the international game.
We both know this won't make much money but it's the RFL we are talking about the most deluded sports organisation in the world. They will generally believe they can.
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| Quote: The Ghost of '99 "It really isn't - they aren't going to make much money out of this at all. It's all about getting the England team, or some of it, together and with competitive opposition.'"
It's each to there own but I doubt this fixture will have an impact on our world cup campaign, given the fact we won't meet the Aussies till further down the line we will have alot of games to blow cobwebs.
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| Quote: pmarrow "I would be more supportive of a game against France for sure, making up a team in itself is a bit of a mockery on the international game.
We both know this won't make much money but it's the RFL we are talking about the most deluded sports organisation in the world. They will generally believe they can.'"
It's a long way from ideal but, it's right to get some game time for the national side.
Having said that, it's not great to have the season planned and then have to squeeze in a "representative" game.
Most other sports have the international game as the pinnacle of their sport and not as some kind of ill thought out last minute hash up.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "It's a long way from ideal but, it's right to get some game time for the national side.
Having said that, it's not great to have the season planned and then have to squeeze in a "representative" game.
Most other sports have the international game as the pinnacle of their sport and not as some kind of ill thought out last minute hash up.
According to Wane this has being planned in for 12 months so if true makes Pearson comments a mystery considering he was consulted numerous times. Unless the Combined All stars is a late change and he doesn't want to lose our star players to a potential made up team as I don't think we will have many if at all any in the England side.
From an FC point of view that same weekend will be the first time the team will play at the KC infront of fans and Pearson knows how important it is to our club for a successful outing given our rather poor home form the last few years.
Still like you say it should be on its own and not a separate or bit part to the league or vice versa.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "I think you may need to change employment law or, at the very least change the rules on who can play for Catalan / Toulouse before you can "force" either of them to include more French born players in their respective squads.'"
Well you think wrong for the sake of disagreeing I assume?
Perhaps Wakefield if they get a rise in income with their re-developed stadium can sign a whole squad of Antipodeans.
30 of them. Not an English player in sight and of course Wakey can't be "forced" to play English players due to employment law?
Show us all the law on this? Explain it?
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| Quote: Donnyman "Well you think wrong for the sake of disagreeing I assume?
Perhaps Wakefield if they get a rise in income with their re-developed stadium can sign a whole squad of Antipodeans.
30 of them. Not an English player in sight and of course Wakey can't be "forced" to play English players due to employment law?
Show us all the law on this? Explain it?'"
Firstly, you keep bringing up Wakefield, who have nothing to do with this subject, it's certainly a strange fascination or maybe you're looking for a bite.
As for employment law, if clubs are competing in the same competition, unless there is something agreed, within the rules of that competition, which have been agreed by the participants, just how on earth would it be legal to insist that any club has to abide be a completely seperate set of rules, especially those stipulated by a solitary bloke on an internet forum.
Maybe we could have local by laws for each club
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "I think you may need to change employment law or, at the very least change the rules on who can play for Catalan / Toulouse before you can "force" either of them to include more French born players in their respective squads. one and as a result, the game is going backwards.'"
The bit in the first sentence is nonsense. "Rugby league cannot change "employment law". Just get over the mistake......
Yes rule changes can stop clubs from throwing aside home grown players, and as far as guest clubs go we don't even have to have them in our leagues if they don't want to follow the way the game wants to go as regards players. The trick Catalans play is to put the French players in the high number jerseys and play them as little as possible. Toulouse will just do the same
At a time the SKY deal which is aimed at obtaining SKY subs from English fans, has been slashed it is madness to allow another French club into SL and therefore pointless to keep the existing one. Unless of course they are a value to the French game, but they are not are they, they leave the French league weaker and they fail to develop players for a stronger French International side.
Bottom line is we need the Superleague to have as many English clubs as possible to deliver the maximum value to SKY
Concentrate on that not on "Employment Law"
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Quote: Donnyman "
Yes rule changes can stop clubs from throwing aside home grown players, and as far as guest clubs go we don't even have to have them in our leagues if they don't want to follow the way the game wants to go as regards players. The trick Catalans play is to put the French players in the high number jerseys and play them as little as possible. Toulouse will just do the same
At a time the SKY deal which is aimed at obtaining SKY subs from English fans, has been slashed it is madness to allow another French club into SL and therefore pointless to keep the existing one. Unless of course they are a value to the French game, but they are not are they, they leave the French league weaker and they fail to develop players for a stronger French International side.
Bottom line is we need the Superleague to have as many English clubs as possible to deliver the maximum value to SKY
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There was a poster banned for repeating false information pertinent to Covid 19 vaccines.
Yet you still state the nonsense about Sky wanting ' subs from English fans ' and ' Super League to have English clubs.'
As for French players and reserve side - https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/sa ... g-through/
A thread on Lenagan and Pearson turns into Sky and French players.Repeat ad nauseam...
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Quote: Donnyman "
Yes rule changes can stop clubs from throwing aside home grown players, and as far as guest clubs go we don't even have to have them in our leagues if they don't want to follow the way the game wants to go as regards players. The trick Catalans play is to put the French players in the high number jerseys and play them as little as possible. Toulouse will just do the same
At a time the SKY deal which is aimed at obtaining SKY subs from English fans, has been slashed it is madness to allow another French club into SL and therefore pointless to keep the existing one. Unless of course they are a value to the French game, but they are not are they, they leave the French league weaker and they fail to develop players for a stronger French International side.
Bottom line is we need the Superleague to have as many English clubs as possible to deliver the maximum value to SKY
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There was a poster banned for repeating false information pertinent to Covid 19 vaccines.
Yet you still state the nonsense about Sky wanting ' subs from English fans ' and ' Super League to have English clubs.'
As for French players and reserve side - https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/sa ... g-through/
A thread on Lenagan and Pearson turns into Sky and French players.Repeat ad nauseam...
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| Quote: Donnyman "The bit in the first sentence is nonsense. "Rugby league cannot change "employment law". Just get over the mistake......
Yes rule changes can stop clubs from throwing aside home grown players, and as far as guest clubs go we don't even have to have them in our leagues if they don't want to follow the way the game wants to go as regards players. The trick Catalans play is to put the French players in the high number jerseys and play them as little as possible. Toulouse will just do the same
At a time the SKY deal which is aimed at obtaining SKY subs from English fans, has been slashed it is madness to allow another French club into SL and therefore pointless to keep the existing one. Unless of course they are a value to the French game, but they are not are they, they leave the French league weaker and they fail to develop players for a stronger French International side.
Bottom line is we need the Superleague to have as many English clubs as possible to deliver the maximum value to SKY
Concentrate on that not on "Employment Law"'"
You really need to get over your anti overseas tirade, it's bloody pathetic.
Perhaps you can explain how any club could be forced into playing players with a particular birth place but, not include all clubs, playing in the same competition, under the same set of rules ??
As for discrimination, do you think that it's ok to employ French players but, not English or visa versa
You keep banging on and on about Sky subscriptions and want to blame Catalan for the reduced TV deal ??
You have forgotten that the very same Catalan side was in SL when the last (record) deal was agreed
There are 11 English clubs in this seasons SL (one more than last year) but, the value of the new TV deal is going down.
I know, lets blame Catalan (again).
You sir are making stuff up about Catalan to suit your own anti Catalan narrative
I may have been wrong to site "Employment Law" although the discriminatory nature on whether or not to employ English over French players would leave Catalan (or any other club) falling foul of the law, were ANY player to be refused a contract on the basis of being born in a different EU country or, maybe you have your own view on what is legal or acceptable.
This thread was supposed to be about "Lenegan and Pearson" but, once again "Donny" has to turn it into ANOTHER anti French hate thread.
Just how many threads have you started or hijacked to get your point across ??
So, come on, please tell everyone, how, within the current rules, Catalan can be forced to employ a higher number of French born players.
The answer is that they cant - get over it.
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