FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!
  
FORUMS > The Virtual Terrace > Players union back calls for central funding to save Toronto
82 posts in 6 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Durham Giant , TimperleySaint
RankPostsTeam
International Star21595
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 201113 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
62021_1514912988.png
[img:12j4q57k]https://i.imgur.com/ayH2ksC.jpg[/img:12j4q57k]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_62021.png



Quote: J7P1 "I wonder if the players union have a view on elite players having to spend six hours on a budget airline (oversize blokes in undersize seats) and then to play a competitive match within two days having spent two nights in budget hostel style accommodation. Surely Super League athletes deserve better than this.

As far as I know TW has not gone into administration or been liquidated. How are they not legally liable for the players wages and outstanding debts to suppliers?

The manipulation of circumstances around payment of players and the demand for a Super League only return is unacceptable.

The TW model has been proved not to work. It would be an absolute disgrace they were to allowed back in any form at any level of UK RL'"


Absolutely spot on mate. eusa_clap.gif eusa_clap.gif eusa_clap.gif

RankPostsTeam
Club Captain2534No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Nov 20195 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Mar 2022Feb 2022LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: J7P1 "

As far as I know TW has not gone into administration or been liquidated. How are they not legally liable for the players wages and outstanding debts to suppliers?

The manipulation of circumstances around payment of players and the demand for a Super League only return is unacceptable.

The TW model has been proved not to work. It would be an absolute disgrace they were to allowed back in any form at any level of UK RL'"


I thought they must have gone bust as they haven't honoured the contracts. The players union is there to provide the lawyers who can enforce the players contracts and get a court order for TWP to pay up. If TWP are still ongoing then fair enough Livolsi is saying he will wind TWP up if any such legal attempt to get the wages owed is made before the game decides on TWP.

Fair play to you and Snowie who indeed called this out as blackmail icon_biggrin.gif

No this NA crap doesn't work, even by Perez's own measures it failed 100%

RankPostsTeam
International Star7181No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 201410 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Mar 2024Oct 2023LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

No reserves,but resilience,persistence and determination are omnipotent.:



Quote: Donnyman "I thought they must have gone bust as they haven't honoured the contracts. The players union is there to provide the lawyers who can enforce the players contracts and get a court order for TWP to pay up. If TWP are still ongoing then fair enough Livolsi is saying he will wind TWP up if any such legal attempt to get the wages owed is made before the game decides on TWP.

Fair play to you and Snowie who indeed called this out as blackmail

The PROSPECTIVE new owner has made a pitch to Elsone/RFL/Owners of Super League clubs about conditions for his requirements to be able to step into the position of new owner of Toronto Wolfpack.

As such, he is NOT in a position to wind the club up.I have not seen any quotes....Perhaps you could oblige?

Blackmail involves a threat with menaces....Perhaps you could oblige?

The Players Union are doing what they should be doing...Working for the benefit of the players.

RankPostsTeam
Club Captain2534No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Nov 20195 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Mar 2022Feb 2022LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: nottinghamtiger "

The players’ union should be pushing for those payments anyway as BoC, not getting on board and supporting the very organisation that has failed to pay their members.

'"


https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/sonny-bill ... 21d6311c4c

As far as the players union are concerned they want big money for their players. So do the players......

You would have thought players wouldn't go anywhere near Ottawa Aces after the TWP debacle but they are pouring over there icon_biggrin.gif

OK they take a chance that the big payouts will last, but in a game where your next game could be your last that's the risk many are happy to take.

Pop as many overseas phoney clubs in Superleague all paying massive money as you want and it's there for the players to go get.

Happy days for them, but in the long term the end of the game for us speccies who have a longer shelf life icon_lol.gif ......
Quote: nottinghamtiger "

The players’ union should be pushing for those payments anyway as BoC, not getting on board and supporting the very organisation that has failed to pay their members.

'"


https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/sonny-bill ... 21d6311c4c

As far as the players union are concerned they want big money for their players. So do the players......

You would have thought players wouldn't go anywhere near Ottawa Aces after the TWP debacle but they are pouring over there icon_biggrin.gif

OK they take a chance that the big payouts will last, but in a game where your next game could be your last that's the risk many are happy to take.

Pop as many overseas phoney clubs in Superleague all paying massive money as you want and it's there for the players to go get.

Happy days for them, but in the long term the end of the game for us speccies who have a longer shelf life icon_lol.gif ......


RankPostsTeam
Club Owner992No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 200321 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2024Jun 2023LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
6009.jpg
:6009.jpg



Quote: Ornery Optimist "The PROSPECTIVE new owner has made a pitch to Elsone/RFL/Owners of Super League clubs about conditions for his requirements to be able to step into the position of new owner of Toronto Wolfpack.

As such, he is NOT in a position to wind the club up.I have not seen any quotes....Perhaps you could oblige?

Blackmail involves a threat with menaces....Perhaps you could oblige?

The Players Union are doing what they should be doing...Working for the benefit of the players.'"


That's why I used Arm Twisting, but it amounts to the same thing.

RankPostsTeam
International Star11887No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 201014 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
White Backgrounds/Statler.gif
:White Backgrounds/Statler.gif



How is “let us back in or these players won’t get their money” not blackmail.

RankPostsTeam
Club Captain1227
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 20159 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jan 2024Jan 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: Willzay "How is “let us back in or these players won’t get their money” not blackmail.'"

Its certainly in that region thats for sure

RankPostsTeam
International Star2794
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 201311 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jun 2023Jun 2023LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
70807_1599340376.jpg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_70807.jpg



Quote: The Silent H "The new management has to be accepted back into Super league before they can buy the club.

Until then they have no responsibility to pay anyone.'"

Wrong.
The proposed new owners can buy the Club & respectfully accept whatever sanctions are forthcoming, they can then build from there. Their demands are holding the SL & RFL to ransom !

RankPostsTeam
International Star2794
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 201311 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jun 2023Jun 2023LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
70807_1599340376.jpg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_70807.jpg



Quote: Willzay "How is “let us back in or these players won’t get their money” not blackmail.'"

It's definitely holding the SL & RFL to ransom !

RankPostsTeam
Club Captain510No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 20205 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
May 2022Nov 2021LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: Willzay "How is “let us back in or these players won’t get their money” not blackmail.'"

How is "let us in and the players will be paid" a bad thing?

At the moment there is no other avenue foreseeable of them getting paid unfortunately.

Just restart next year Covid permitting, as they would have done this year. It's the simplest decision.

RankPostsTeam
Club Captain2534No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Nov 20195 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Mar 2022Feb 2022LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: Ste100Centurions "It's definitely holding the SL & RFL to ransom !'"


I don't agree here as we do not know exactly where or why TWP may fit in in the future. Not that long ago Lenegan talked about a reducing TV deal, he looked forward to a "national" league, and even took a 2 leagues x10 English clubs format to a vote.

But times always chance and we now read (RL & LE Letters page and Editorial) that American media giant Comcast who own SKY Sports could be interested in screening a transatlantic league that could pay way more than the current SKY deal (double has been suggested). The alternative to that if that is what they want, is what exactly? Can we stick to the current clubs and current level of SKY money if Comcast/SKY are no longer interested?

The decision on TWP looked like it was going to be pretty much most clubs voting to eject them. Now we see big SL clubs thinking again and pondering on their future worth. That worth being a big Comcast deal. Now we see little SL clubs vehemently against it. Mr. Hudgell has already walked mid season, people were worryingly asking where Mr. Carter was, Mr. Davey is adamant he wants to see his days out in an English League, Salford have little say.

Perez ploughs on with Ottawa with his usual self confidence, New York aren't going away, Rimmer is all for TWP coming back, and Livolsi is acting like he holds all the cards. People can still get copies of league Express as it only came out Monday so don't call me just put your hand in your pocket and read it.

It may well be Livolsi simply holds all the cards here............

Anyone got a better explanation let's hear it?

RankPostsTeam
Club Captain510No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 20205 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
May 2022Nov 2021LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Do we think this time next week Toronto will be in or out?

RankPostsTeam
International Chairman1468
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 200123 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jan 1970Jun 2022LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: The Silent H "Do we think this time next week Toronto will be in or out?'"
neither they will want more time to lull it over, personally you know my feelings but I dread Rimmer still has pound signs in his eyes

RankPostsTeam
International Chairman1135No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 200223 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
May 2024Mar 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
1243.jpg
:1243.jpg



Quote: The Silent H "Do we think this time next week Toronto will be in or out?'"


OUT !

RankPostsTeam
First Team Player312
JoinedServiceReputation
May 20204 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
78075_1701195924.jpeg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_78075.jpeg



OUT.
In my opinion I would be surprised if those making the decision will find any encouragement in a proposal that a range of male grooming products could bring untold wealth to UK RL.

82 posts in 6 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Durham Giant , TimperleySaint
82 posts in 6 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Durham Giant , TimperleySaint



All views expressed are those of the author and not necessarily those of the RLFANS.COM or its subsites.

Whilst every effort is made to ensure that news stories, articles and images are correct, we cannot be held responsible for errors. However, if you feel any material on this website is copyrighted or incorrect in any way please contact us using the link at the top of the page so we can remove it or negotiate copyright permission.

RLFANS.COM, the owners of this website, is not responsible for the content of its sub-sites or posts, please email the author of this sub-site or post if you feel you find an article offensive or of a choice nature that you disagree with.

Copyright 1999 - 2024 RLFANS.COM

You must be 18+ to gamble, for more information and for help with gambling issues see https://www.begambleaware.org/.



Please Support RLFANS.COM


4.03662109375:5
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
2m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
62212
3m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
39868
3m
Lee Briers joins St Helens coaching staff
Wires71
11
4m
Film game
Boss Hog
3289
8m
2024 Disciplinary
ploinerrhino
160
11m
This weeks disciplinary
just_browny
1303
13m
RD 25 Hull FC H
ploinerrhino
52
27m
Todays match v Saints
Wanderer
90
28m
Shopping list for 2025
ComeOnYouUll
4813
34m
Sheffield A
Highlander
16
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
21s
Transfer Talk / Rumour thread V4
Emagdnim13
9833
25s
This weeks disciplinary
just_browny
1303
31s
RD 25 Hull FC H
ploinerrhino
52
47s
Salford H
Steve0
48
50s
Recruitment rumours and links
Howfenwire
3005
54s
Lee Briers joins St Helens coaching staff
Wires71
11
55s
2024 Disciplinary
ploinerrhino
160
1m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
39868
1m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
62212
1m
Hudds
RfE
14
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Who do we want in the play-offs
ninearches
4
TODAY
Tomkins last chance
[Gareth]
5
TODAY
Ken Rollin
REDWHITEANDB
1
TODAY
Max
PopTart
2
TODAY
Play-offs
Deeeekos
2
TODAY
Highlights v Whitehaven
Dunkirk Spir
1
TODAY
Play offs
newcat
2
TODAY
George Williams
just_browny
5
TODAY
WIRE YED Prediction Competition Huddersfield Away
Wire Weaver
2
TODAY
Huddersfield Giants Hold Off London Challenge
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Salford Close In On The Play Offs As Dragons Crisis Continues
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Batley v Dons - Sunday 8 September 2024
Wanderer
4
TODAY
Staying down after head contact
Jake the Peg
12
TODAY
Broncos Ladies
Deadcowboys1
3
TODAY
OT players staying down but staying on after treatment
djcool
5
TODAY
Hull live/Tomlinson
Chris71
14
TODAY
Todays match v Saints
Wanderer
90
TODAY
New England RL shirt
The Curtism
2
TODAY
Reserves Grand Final
Zig
9
TODAY
Shareholder meetings
Dunkirk Spir
2
TODAY
Leigh Leopards Up To Fourth After Defeating Castleford Tigers
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Huddersfield Giants Hold Off L..
287
Salford Close In On The Play O..
242
Leigh Leopards Up To Fourth Af..
366
Leeds Rhinos Into the Six Afte..
379
Wigan Warriors Defeat Hull KR ..
497
Wane Names Provisional Squad f..
733
Leeds Rhinos Ride Their Luck F..
846
Wigan Warriors Level Top As Ca..
980
Castleford Tigers Inflict Anot..
1006
Leigh Into the Six After Beati..
1044
Five Into Three - Our Top Six ..
1633
Leigh Leopards Lay Claim To Pl..
1222
Salford Up To Fourth After Dem..
1562
Hull KR Embarrass Saints As Th..
1246
Rhinos Sweep Past the Dragons ..
1306
POSTSONLINEREGISTRATIONSRECORD
19.63M +13,685 ↑6180,11314,103
LOGIN HERE
or REGISTER for more features!.

When you register you get access to the live match scores, live match chat and you can post in the discussions on the forums.
RLFANS Match Centre
 Fri 13th Sep
     National Rugby League 2024-R28
10:50
Penrith
v
Sydney
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R26
20:00
Leigh
v
Hull KR
20:00
St.Helens
v
Castleford
20:00
Wigan
v
Leeds
 Sat 14th Sep
     National Rugby League 2024-R28
07:05
Melbourne
v
Cronulla
10:50
NQL Cowboys
v
Newcastle
     Womens Super League 2024-R14
14:00
FeatherstoneW
v
York V
14:00
St.HelensW
v
BarrowW
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R26
15:00
Hull FC
v
Salford
       Championship 2024-R26
15:00
Barrow
v
Whitehaven
15:00
Bradford
v
Batley
15:00
Dewsbury
v
Swinton
15:00
Doncaster
v
Widnes
15:00
Featherstone
v
Sheffield
15:00
Wakefield
v
York
17:00
Toulouse
v
Halifax
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R26
20:00
Catalans
v
LondonB
 Sun 15th Sep
     National Rugby League 2024-R28
07:05
Canterbury
v
Manly
     Womens Super League 2024-R14
12:00
WiganW
v
LeedsW
14:00
Hudds W
v
Wire W
ALL SCORES PROVIDED BY RLFANS.COM (SETTINGS)
Matches on TV
Fri 13th Sep
SL
20:00
Leigh-Hull KR
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Castleford
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leeds
Sat 14th Sep
SL
15:00
Hull FC-Salford
SL
20:00
Catalans-LondonB
Sun 15th Sep
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Fri 20th Sep
SL
20:00
Huddersfield-Castleford
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Leeds
SL
20:00
Leigh-St.Helens
SL
20:00
Warrington-LondonB
SL
20:00
Wigan-Salford
Sun 27th Oct
MINT2024
14:30
England M-Samoa M
Sat 2nd Nov
MINT2024
14:30
England M-Samoa M
Sun 8th Sep
SL 25 Huddersfield22-16LondonB
WSL2024 13 LeedsW52-12FeatherstoneW
WSL2024 13 BarrowW24-4Hudds W
WSL2024 13 WiganW12-16York V
CH 25 Batley0-38Doncaster
CH 25 Halifax34-6Dewsbury
CH 25 Sheffield12-30Bradford
CH 25 Swinton28-8Featherstone
CH 25 Wakefield60-6Whitehaven
CH 25 Widnes6-12York
NRL 27 Manly20-40Cronulla
NRL 27 Newcastle14-6Dolphins
Sat 7th Sep
SL 25 Warrington16-2St.Helens
SL 25 Salford27-12Catalans
WSL2024 13 Wire W0-98St.HelensW
CH 25 Barrow24-36Toulouse
NRL 27 St.George24-26Canberra
NRL 27 Canterbury6-44NQL Cowboys
NRL 27 Penrith18-12Gold Coast
Fri 6th Sep
SL 25 Castleford12-34Leigh
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 25 619 336 283 40
Hull KR 25 669 311 358 38
Warrington 25 618 319 299 36
Salford 25 492 479 13 30
Leigh 25 548 362 186 29
St.Helens 25 544 366 178 28
 
Leeds 25 514 424 90 28
Catalans 25 439 415 24 26
Huddersfield 25 434 582 -148 18
Castleford 25 411 661 -250 15
Hull FC 25 320 812 -492 6
LondonB 25 309 850 -541 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 23 872 252 620 44
Bradford 23 602 359 243 30
Toulouse 22 624 322 302 29
Widnes 23 499 403 96 27
York 24 609 419 190 26
Featherstone 23 560 452 108 26
 
Sheffield 23 574 466 108 26
Doncaster 23 440 513 -73 21
Halifax 23 457 579 -122 20
Batley 23 364 497 -133 20
Barrow 22 384 634 -250 17
Swinton 23 418 590 -172 16
Whitehaven 23 400 772 -372 16
Dewsbury 24 292 793 -501 2
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
2m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
62212
3m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
39868
3m
Lee Briers joins St Helens coaching staff
Wires71
11
4m
Film game
Boss Hog
3289
8m
2024 Disciplinary
ploinerrhino
160
11m
This weeks disciplinary
just_browny
1303
13m
RD 25 Hull FC H
ploinerrhino
52
27m
Todays match v Saints
Wanderer
90
28m
Shopping list for 2025
ComeOnYouUll
4813
34m
Sheffield A
Highlander
16
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
21s
Transfer Talk / Rumour thread V4
Emagdnim13
9833
25s
This weeks disciplinary
just_browny
1303
31s
RD 25 Hull FC H
ploinerrhino
52
47s
Salford H
Steve0
48
50s
Recruitment rumours and links
Howfenwire
3005
54s
Lee Briers joins St Helens coaching staff
Wires71
11
55s
2024 Disciplinary
ploinerrhino
160
1m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
39868
1m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
62212
1m
Hudds
RfE
14
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Who do we want in the play-offs
ninearches
4
TODAY
Tomkins last chance
[Gareth]
5
TODAY
Ken Rollin
REDWHITEANDB
1
TODAY
Max
PopTart
2
TODAY
Play-offs
Deeeekos
2
TODAY
Highlights v Whitehaven
Dunkirk Spir
1
TODAY
Play offs
newcat
2
TODAY
George Williams
just_browny
5
TODAY
WIRE YED Prediction Competition Huddersfield Away
Wire Weaver
2
TODAY
Huddersfield Giants Hold Off London Challenge
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Salford Close In On The Play Offs As Dragons Crisis Continues
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Batley v Dons - Sunday 8 September 2024
Wanderer
4
TODAY
Staying down after head contact
Jake the Peg
12
TODAY
Broncos Ladies
Deadcowboys1
3
TODAY
OT players staying down but staying on after treatment
djcool
5
TODAY
Hull live/Tomlinson
Chris71
14
TODAY
Todays match v Saints
Wanderer
90
TODAY
New England RL shirt
The Curtism
2
TODAY
Reserves Grand Final
Zig
9
TODAY
Shareholder meetings
Dunkirk Spir
2
TODAY
Leigh Leopards Up To Fourth After Defeating Castleford Tigers
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Huddersfield Giants Hold Off L..
287
Salford Close In On The Play O..
242
Leigh Leopards Up To Fourth Af..
366
Leeds Rhinos Into the Six Afte..
379
Wigan Warriors Defeat Hull KR ..
497
Wane Names Provisional Squad f..
733
Leeds Rhinos Ride Their Luck F..
846
Wigan Warriors Level Top As Ca..
980
Castleford Tigers Inflict Anot..
1006
Leigh Into the Six After Beati..
1044
Five Into Three - Our Top Six ..
1633
Leigh Leopards Lay Claim To Pl..
1222
Salford Up To Fourth After Dem..
1562
Hull KR Embarrass Saints As Th..
1246
Rhinos Sweep Past the Dragons ..
1306


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!